Fake, there is no way anyone would be that stupid and openly prejudiced . . .
hmm, lol
I’m sorry but I have a neuroscience degree and I think this is a fart sniffing post. The broader point is real though
I’ll take things that never happened for 500 Alex
This reads like a shower argument I have when alone
The fact you don’t have any friends that would stand up for their wives like this is more an indictment of you and the company you keep
All of my friends would stand up for their wives. That’s a wild assumption you’re making
The fact you take things so personally speaks volumes about your life.
I’m not your dog, kick someone else dork
So why is it so unusual that somebody would stand up for theirs? Why is this a thing that doesn’t happen?
You said it doesn’t happen.
The whole sequence of events seems unlikely to have happened particularly if you’ve never been dragged to a company meeting by your spouse. Where people absolutely drink and forget not everyone wants to hear their political hot takes like ‘‘there were only disagreements when they started letting women vote’’. But my hard line stepping trigger personally is people smoking Marlboros. Like seriously. Smoke camels, or actually get 30 feet from the door. No one wants to smell that shit. Plus I have asthma.
Yeah on point
People are fucking obnoxious
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Bruh, you’re misunderstanding the point of my og comment. I wasn’t saying someone wouldn’t stand up for their partner. I was saying the entire argument sounds made up
Sorry you didn’t understand and think I beat my wife when she speaks, lmao grow up and touch some grass
The argument is, some dude insults a guys wife and then he stands up for her. And you said it “never happened”. How exactly are people going to interpret that?
Do you hear yourself??? Do you actually speak with real humans in real life? My dude or dudette just go away already
Yeah, usually people are accountable to their words, or speak and write with some intention.
So you are going to refuse to answer, how does what you said, make sense, in the context of the other thing you said.
If you don’t want to admit that it doesn’t, fine by me.
It’s unfortunate that this educated woman’s husband felt the need to speak for her when she is fully capable of speaking for herself.
The patriarchy, ammirrite?
You are a loser
Joe Rogan is a caveman, but I hate this mentality.
I’ve had a ton of horrible experiences with doctors. Misdiagnosis, given bad medication, bad medical advice, etc. A common trait all of them had extreme arrogance. They all thought they had all the answers, and that modern medicine was infallible.
If you had an issue they couldn’t put a clear label on fairly quick or weren’t responding to treatment in a textbook way, then that was somehow your fault. Either you were lying, or exaggerating, or it was all just in your head.
I’m not alone in this experience. Basically every American with any sort of complex health issues has had a bad experience at the hands of someone who claims to be an expert. That’s on top of the medical establishment letting bad medicine go on for years, because they are extremely reluctant to admit they don’t have all the answers.
Obviously, none of that makes Joe Rogan any sort of intellectual or trusted authority on anything except bro science. How you can’t expect people to have unflinching trust in doctors when doctors let people down so often.
I think on this particular example, the focus was less on the medical doctor aspect and more on the PhD. The woman has achieved the pinnacle of institutional knowledge in her field by fostering her intellect while dog breath across the table talks down to her about muscly podcast man who told everyone to take horse dewormer for COVID.
I agree using “doctor” as an indicator of intellect can fall short, I think that is tangential to the point her husband was making. Also, good husband stepping up to bat when the coworker starts mansplaining to his wife…
Joe rogan is pure shit, but the pinnacle on knowledge in one specific field does not mean the pinnacle knowledge in everything else.
That’s not what I said. What I mean to suggest is that if anyone has “fostered their intellect” it is someone who has achieved a PhD over someone who listens to Joe Rogan. I think even PhD hater could agree with that.
I gave up on getting tested for ADHD. They would not even run the tests! I don’t really care if I have it, I just want to be sure, so I know what to do about whatever is wrong with me.
I’m sorry to hear that! My PCP referred me to testing based on a very short conversation and ultimately just because I wanted to be tested and know. I hope you can find a better doctor!
Yeah, doctors aren’t perfect. Does that mean that my doctor, who says that you should get vaccinated, is on equal footing with RFK Jr., who says you shouldn’t? No.
I don’t have “unflinching trust” in anybody, but I’d trust a board-certified doctor before I trusted somebody like RFK Jr.
Um… if you look at the post again, you will find that the doctor in question is a PhD, admittedly in neuroscience, which does produce results used by medical doctors. But there is no indication the woman in question has ever, or will ever, practise medicine in a clinical setting. For that matter, there is only the inference from the mention of a US podcast that she is even American, mmm?
But, then, I infer from your userrname that you are male, and from your post that you are American. So I am not, at this point in history, terribly surprised if you have jumped to a wrong conclusion about the actual content of a woman’s doctorate.
Signed, another woman with a doctorate that has nothing whatsoever to do with practising medicine in the USA, although you’d never know it from the number of Americans who immediately tell me their symptoms upon introduction. (Ah, yes! I think Napoleon died of something similar on Ste. Helena. Or possibly he was poisoned. But then French history is not my field, either.)
You’re right. At least doctors have actual experience in the field. There are legions of academics who have never actually attempted to apply any of their knowledge to any sort of real life situation, have an extremely limited ability to function in the real world, and somehow are even more arrogant than medical doctors by an order of magnitude.
Case and point, this comment. The natural conclusion of anyone without an extreme superiority complex is that I just mildly misread the OC because, like the vast majority of people, I spent like 10s glancing at this post before commenting
Meanwhile you have your head so far up your ass that you immediately launch into an incredibly pretentious rant that somehow manages to stretch a three sentence point into three paragraphs, each of which is somehow more insufferable than the last.
Everything about you gives off the energy of someone who thinks they are better than everyone else because they can quote Foucault at will, and thinks the reason why they can’t seem to make connections outside of their field is because people are too intimidated by an “intellectual”.
Ooooo. You know, that would have been painful, had it not been so entirely off base. Thanks for the laugh…
I think any of us who have worked in academia can say something very similar about the other kind of doctor. I do feel like it may be a situation where it’s just that the more vocal ones are ruining it for everyone, but we’re getting heavy into anecdotal data at that point.
It sucks, but the anti intellectual crowd does legitimately have a lot of places to point some fingers.
Seriously though. I don’t think I’ve actually been helped after having gone to the doctor my entire life (I’m 24 for reference).
So, you’re 24 years old and healthy? Color me shocked.
What would you do, say, if you broke your leg? Would you go to a doctor? Do you think that they’d be able to help you?
So, you’re 24 years old and healthy? Color me shocked.
Lol that’s not at all what I’m saying. I have health problems out the wazoo and doctors in so far as I have been able to afford them have not been any sort of help for anything more complicated than the flu.
Doctors sadly are drilled to produce results in an industrial manner. Strange edge cases are relegated to research, but if a doctor has to work off many patients, a patient who needs thought or patience is just irritating.
Sounds like we need to rethink how we educate doctors - considering we need more.
a sawed-off bat is a much more effective weapon… a full sized one is too easy to dodge and grab….
also, neaganize it with some barbed wire…Alternatively, a sock over the far end, so when they try to catch/grab the bat, you can just pull it out and maintain control of the situation
helps, but they can still dodge and catch you off balance…
Try being a woman and talking to a mechanic or anybody working at an auto parts store.
Or try being a woman working at an autoparts store
Doctors and PhD’s are not necessarily intellectuals.
Who said that they were?
“if men listened to actual intellectuals like the doctor you’re addressing…”
Like the doctor. Not a doctor.
Why mention that she’s a doctor, why is it necessary in that moment?
Sorry, but this is a bit too much of #thathappened for me.
ThatHappened is a flat circle. Sometimes things are so conveniently contrived looking that they did really happen. Truth is stranger than fiction.
The most believable part is that is what a Rogen fan would say.
Dunno. I presume something close to the second part happened, too. A Neuroscience PhD would not likely marry an imbecile.
People using the word “intellect” in the same sentence as rogan makes the first part quite unbelievable too. Also, in my experience, people also refer to themselves as PhDs or physicians, because saying “doctor” outside of formally addressing one doesn’t reveal anything about what the person actually does other than their ““intellect””.
yup. story’s total bullshit.
I believe the first part. I dont believe the quick and clean comeback.
I do. Because it’s not the first time that someone talked down to his doctor wife, and it won’t be the last.
I’m sure the first time he said nothing, but by the fifteenth time, you get good at it.
I schooled another man about my wife’s competence. A doctor’s a doctor! - title of this as a moderately upvoted repost on reddit with mostly positive, supportive comments
Thank you to all the good men who defend their wives like DH did for me! We love you! - title of a less upvoted and commented on reddit repost the next day
OP: My husband’s nazi coworker was blatantly sexist to me at a company dinner - “where do you live dumb cunt imma swat your house,” “men are people too, not everything is nazis, feminist bitch” brigade, “why are you dividing the movement for equality” Civilized Discussion and Debate, redditcares messages in her inbox
doctors can have really shit opinions too
the real message is: every opinion must be scrutinized heavily, if it stands scrutiny maybe there’s something there
It depends on what they’re talking about. I’ll listen to and generally heed a doctors medical opinion, for example. Their political opinion? Eh…
Joe Rogan, who has doesn’t have expertise in anything comparable to a doctors expertise in medicine, no way I’m talking anything he says at face value.
I wouldn’t trust a doctor’s opinion on medicine unless their PhD were in medicine. Most aren’t.
I don’t consider MDs to be doctors.
Reading your comments, I can’t tell if you are trolling us, or if you really are this tarded?
A Medical Doctor isn’t a doctor, in your eyes?
OK, genius.
You should look up what a PhD in Medicine is and how it’s not the same as an MD (Doctor of Medicine). Your user name couldn’t be further from the truth.
I already know a PhD in medicine is different to an MD, that’s why I wrote a comment that says one’s a doctor and one isn’t. Read my comment until you understand it.
You said an MD is not a doctor. They are. They are literally a MEDICAL DOCTOR. A PhD in medicine is really only gained as a dual doctoral degree and will then be MD-PhD. It combines the Medical knowledge of an MD with the more research driven knowledge of a PhD.
In the Medical world an MD, is often called a physician. However Lemmy is not the medical world and for all intents and purposes a MD is a Doctor.
You saying MD is not a Doctor is just making you look stupid.
If a physician is qualified to teach at the highest academic level due to their research skills, I’ll call them a doctor. Otherwise, they’re just a physician. Putting in IVs and prescribing cold medicine doesn’t make you a doctor. Research skills make you a doctor.
While hilarious…that’s what’s breeding the rise of the shit show of anti-science. We can’t just call morons morons anymore. They go back to truth social, find all the other morons and pretend like they know better.
There are reputable scientists that have been guests on Joe Rogan. Brian Cox was just on quite recently.
And what did Brian Cox talk about on the show? Anything unrelated to their PHD?
Not sure. Didn’t watch the whole show and it was quite awhile ago. He did discuss his research regarding black holes.
We need to be better at explaining to people what their education equates to. If you stopped taking hard sciences when you graduated high school you don’t have a good to great understanding of those subjects rather you have the absolute basic understanding.
absolute basic understanding.
Even if you aced science in highschool, I’d argue that’s not the case. AP sciences, maybe, but after seeing the current basic curriculum…oh hell no. Worse if you went to a Christian science school.
College taught me I didn’t have a basic understanding of anything really, and there will always be someone out there who knows more. College research also gave me the critical thinking and research skills to wade through most of the bullshit we are being fed daily.
The kids who stop at highschool or go into a trade really don’t get that level of problem solving and critical analysis.
I think that’s a more personal situation. My public school in elementary and middle school/jr high stressed critical thinking skills and utilized programs to teach them. The average kid there had those skills going into high school. If you could read/do math outside your grade level there was a class room in my elementary school they sent ypu for critical thinking exercises while everyone else learned to read or do math.
The kids who stop at highschool or go into a trade really don’t get that level of problem solving and critical analysis.
I wouldn’t be too hasty with the condescension towards the blue-collar working class. Problem solving and analysis is just a service at the end of the day, just like repairing an air conditioner. The value of both services also fluctuates.
I honestly don’t know. It would be completely justified if women flipped out more often.
I like her husband’s response, though.
Joe Rogan, Shapiro, and j Peterson is what you called pseudo-intellectuals
Shapiro and Peterson both have post graduate degrees. Peterson actually taught at a university level. They are intellectuals they are also just wrong about many of their opinions
Edit: I get hating benny shaps but this is easily verified
“…He then attended Harvard Law School, where he studied under liberal law professors Lani Guinier and Randall Kennedy.[10][11] In 2007, Shapiro graduated from Harvard with a Juris Doctor, cum laude.[12]”
Shapiro only has a B.A.
Peterson is fully qualified to talk on psychological markers for alcoholism, and a broad range of clinical psychology, and not much else.
They are both (educated) bullshit merchants, not intellectuals. Intellectuals are honest.Ben Shapiro has a JD. Like I said he’s educated. He’s just wrong about a lot of things
“He then attended Harvard Law School, where he studied under liberal law professors Lani Guinier and Randall Kennedy.[10][11] In 2007, Shapiro graduated from Harvard with a Juris Doctor, cum laude.[12]@
Meh, JD is an entry-level law qualification: “in Canada, it is considered a second-entry bachelor’s degree.” [Wikipedia] In any case, it’s a professional qualification, not an academic one.
That is absolutely incorrect. A JD is a juris doctorate and is considered a postgraduate degree in the United States. There are some places where law degrees are granted at the bachelor’s level, but not the US. You’re making the same mistake as the Rogan crowd here by looking at a surface level, single sentence from Wikipedia (which is referring to the Canadian system btw). The law degree itself is only “entry level” because JD holders have to pass a licensure exam (the "professional qualification) before they are allowed to be practicing attorneys. There are quite a few people who have law degrees, but don’t take the exam because they intend to use their law degrees in other ways.
Ok fair enough. I am not familiar with the American academic legal system. I do not appreciate being likened to the “Rogan crowd”.
The fact about it being a professional qualification rather than an academic one stands, then, I take it?Is English not your first language?
The JD is a doctorate level degree granted by law schools, and American law schools only accept people who already have a bachelor’s level education at a minimum. Like I said in my other comment, the bar exam is the exam people with JD degrees can take to become licensed attorneys. their membership in the Bar Association is their professional qualification.
The problem with this world is that a lot of people enjoy EVERYTHING on a surface level.
I keep getting reminded of my “gamer” years when I played league of legends. When I started, I was clueless and bad. And I found a YouTube channel which made fun educational videos.
Initially I learned a lot but over time, I realized how bad the advice was at times, which changed my consumption of the content. At the end, the content didn’t teach me anything and the suggestions of the creator seemed to be focused on messing with bad players and not actually playing good.
I started to watch better players and learned more from them.
To me, fans of these guys stopped at the first step. They want educational content but they don’t actually want to learn and so don’t actually think about the content and can’t outgrow it.
Rogan, Peterson (and probably even Shapiro, I dunno) do give good info or advice once in awhile, but it’s not anything that you couldn’t get somewhere else without all of the baggage.
One of the wisest things I’ve ever heard is “White people should be lucky that black people only want equality, revenge would be perfectly understandable at this point.”
The more I learn about black history, as in the history of what white people have been doing to black people since the latter was dragged kicking and screaming to America, the more I appreciate the phrase. It’s honestly some of the most horrific shit I’ve ever had the displeasure of learning.
And just to clarify. I’m not black, I’m a pale transchick from the 90’s who’s whiter than sour cream, I’ve seen Wayne’s World 69,420 times and it keeps getting funnier every time I see it.
Still doing it, even the Liberals who think they’re anti-Racist, because huge levels of discrimination on the basis of wealth and very low social mobility are core to preserving the oppression of the descendants of people such as freed slaves and inflicting on them the constante suffering which is a live of poverty in a Capitalist system:
- When released, the slaves were poor compared to the rest and, because of being poor they and their children had to live in worse places, were not part of the landowner class and did not have access to the same opportinities as the rest (all the while the active discrimination on the color of their skin continued, making things worse). Fast forward to the modern days and whilst direct discrimination on the color of their skin is a lot less than a mere 50 years ago, you still have lots of Afro-Americans living in ghettos, oppressed via their poverty and with their children having far fewer opportunities to improve their lot in life than the rest.
This is why the fight against Inequality must include fighting Wealth Inequality and Discrimination on the basis of Wealth: even if other kinds of inequality of treatment were magically eliminated tomorrow, Wealth Discrimination is by far the main mechanism of hurting those victims and their descendants (poor people live much more painful lives, from the quality of their dwellings and even the bed they sleep in, to that of their food and their personal safety, to the point that their Life Expectancy is a at least a decade less than rich people) and Wealth Inequality bakes in the past injustices (by denying the same opportunities to the descendants of those who are past victims of other kinds of discrimination, for example because poor neighbourhoods have worse schools and poored people don’t have the same access to universities when those institutions are private and have high attendance fees and non-meritocratic components to their selection process).
In summary, people pushed down the Wealth scale (or never allowed to move up) by other kinds of Discrimination are inflicted pain and suffering via the mechanisms of Wealth Discrimination and their descendants are denied the same opportunities that others have to improve their lot in life by the very same mechanisms.
In practice American Liberals are a mix of hypocrites and useful idiots because, whilst claiming to be against discrimination, they refuse to address the biggest one, which is the main pathway for inflicting life-long suffering to the victims of other kinds of widespread discrimination and for transmitting that status of victim down the generations long after the original kind of discrimination has lessened or even dissapeared.
“You are part of a vast conspiracy in which some people are singled out to have nothing, for no reason.”
You’ve picked the very opposite of the motivations involved, hence got an obviously senseless result: feed the logic chain with garbage and you naturally get garbage out such as “conspiracies to make people poor”
Nobody has the objective of having others have nothing, rather their objective is to have as much as possible themselves and for some, maybe many, others having nothing is just “an irrelevant side-effect”.
People who want to have as much as possible will of course join forces with like minded individuals if that furthers said objective. It’s the most natural thing in the world, done totally in the open within Capitalist societies and requiring no “conspiracy”.
Do I have to point to the sign?
This is a meme community.
