Attendance of vice-president – who once disbelieved that people listened to classical music for pleasure – strikes sour note at Kennedy Center in light of Maga takeover
The situation invokes a thought of ‘Inglourious Basterds’
“Elites use different words, eat different foods, listen to different music – I was astonished when I learned that people listened to classical music for pleasure – and generally occupy different worlds from America’s poor,” he said. “Unfortunately, this can make things a little culturally awkward when you leap from one class to the other.”
To be fair, I look at classical music listeners the same way I do craft beer drinkers, namely that I suspect they’re doing it more because they like the idea than the actual reality.
I love Chad Lawsons album “Breathe” but haven’t told a single soul IRL. Will listen in my car during long commutes.
His description on irreplaceable, fields of forever and letting go really hit hard during the listen.
So if the idea is people only want status from listening or social drivers to land the act. Then I’m an outlier. Haha. Because I’m so self conscious of the projection of “the type” that listens to it I avoid being seen or known as a listener. If stopped at a light or pulling into a lot will turn it all the way down lol
I just project as a curious intellectual with things and then also enjoy certain classical music or styles in music that capture classical sounds, but feel like my entire appeal or ability to be convincing is meeting people where they are at and then engaging the more theoretical sides from them, once they realize I’m respectful and trusting and not condescending.
I worry that if I pull into work listening to a concerto that I will no longer have the ability for folks to trust that I really can meet them where they are. lol. And I do educate train and onboard / facilitate comprehensive learnings for larger groups in my health care role. So it’s clearly a passion to be effective with that.
Too much anxiety about something that probably doesnt matter clearly per my down votes. Haha. Feel like there is a stigma in sort of being education providing - and condescending. And it becomes harder to dodge that as the first post indicates if say, the first impression is me listening to classical music whilst drinking an IPA haha. My ability to tease out a theoretical thought exercise conversation in a trusting environment might diminish up front (is the fear) and then I won’t effectively engage in my favorite types of discussions.
I get where you’re coming from. I’m an isolated nobody from nowhere with no interest in anything but riding out my time on this rock haha.
If I had as much to think about, I’d be more conscious of those things as well. You have to be.
Thank goodness I don’t. Sometimes I get depressed when I think about who I am and how nihilism and lack of opportunity has made it impossible for me to participate in humanity (hillbilly from the middle of nowhere, 2nd poorest place in America). I’m glad I don’t have that kind of anxiety though. I’m not built for it.
Or maybe I was. I’ll never know.
We should always talk first and roll our eyes later, huh?
I once ran across a Berliner Weisse at a brewer’s festival that made excellent use of pickle juice. I had to try it out of curiosity, and while it was too much on the palate to drink many more than one, had a lived in the area I would have had one every evening. I wish I remembered the brewery so I could recommend it.
as some one who regularly listens to classical music…
that’s a stupid take. most of us who do, enjoy classical music. just because you don’t doesn’t mean there isn’t a reason other than “We like the idea of it”. I could say the same about whatever genres you listen to, and be just as wrong.
imagine being confused that people do not enjoy mass produced drink made of lowest quality materials and prefer something that doesn’t taste like it has already been drank before…
also itt: people who think only IPA is craft beer. If you’re not into IPA, which is a matter of taste, you can just drink delicious craft lager and pilsner.
I can’t imagine being proud of limiting your experiences to the blandest shit imaginable because you’re literally incapable of understanding that taste is subjective.
So tell me, what’re your favourite Top-40s butt rock bands and corn-based mass produced light beers?
Classical music is like any music, some of it is uplifting and beautiful and some doesnt do it for me, maybe you should try it though and see for yourself
not a classical guy, i love death grips, machine girl , post punk and thrash. but i would never say classical is ‘dull’. isnt there one that uses fucking cannons??
Iirc, Tchaikovsky wrote his 1812 Overture rather quickly to commemorate the defense of Russia against Napoleon and wasn’t too thrilled with it himself. I believe he called it noisy and without artistry, but I’m prone to collecting myths, so please do check my work.
I was just looking to express my penchant for collecting pseudo-historical stories that I don’t feel compelled to check the accuracy of because they don’t purport to express anything important.
Ngl though, I would play the fuck out of that encounter if you made it.
A bit of a cop out, but I’ve been wanting to tinker with the homebrewery, so I just made a lil 1 page NPC sheet for fun. Not quite an encounter, not even a statblock lol, but I was tinkering so I figured I’d share.
I agree but I think its weird some people are attached to old classical music composers. There is newer better stuff or even classical variants like you would hear in Bridgerton. Its painful watching kids playing those horrible scores at competitions just cause its traditional and expected.
Side note: 100% certain it was the songs cause after events I go to yt to check pros play them and it was still awful.
Opera was originally art for the masses. I get the thing about everyone thinking its elitest but i was brought up by 2 generations of working class people who loved opera and classical music. Worked at the Derby Playhouse, its just elitist because its in movies and stuff a lot
To be fair, I look at classical music listeners the same way I do craft beer drinkers, namely that I suspect they’re doing it more because they like the idea than the actual reality.
I’m as likely to spin Verdi as I am Dr. Dre.
One of my friends is a d’n’b dj at night… and a professional flautist during the day. They’re also a member of an orchestra.
Eclectic listeners exist everywhere. Having said that I also know people who only listen to grime and find trap unattractive… go figure.
Rachmaninov fucking slaps, and IPAs are delicious. Not everybody has the same shitty taste as you.
I love Chad Lawsons album “Breathe” but haven’t told a single soul IRL. Will listen in my car during long commutes.
His description on irreplaceable, fields of forever and letting go really hit hard during the listen.
So if the idea is people only want status from listening or social drivers to land the act. Then I’m an outlier. Haha. Because I’m so self conscious of the projection of “the type” that listens to it I avoid being seen or known as a listener. If stopped at a light or pulling into a lot will turn it all the way down lol
If I like a song by the Spice Girls I’m telling everyone.
I do. It’s 2 Become 1. It’s cheesy as hell and I’ve been listening to it since I was 10 years old. Check it out. You’ll probably hate it. I don’t.
Haha - I need to take a page out of your book.
I just project as a curious intellectual with things and then also enjoy certain classical music or styles in music that capture classical sounds, but feel like my entire appeal or ability to be convincing is meeting people where they are at and then engaging the more theoretical sides from them, once they realize I’m respectful and trusting and not condescending.
I worry that if I pull into work listening to a concerto that I will no longer have the ability for folks to trust that I really can meet them where they are. lol. And I do educate train and onboard / facilitate comprehensive learnings for larger groups in my health care role. So it’s clearly a passion to be effective with that.
Too much anxiety about something that probably doesnt matter clearly per my down votes. Haha. Feel like there is a stigma in sort of being education providing - and condescending. And it becomes harder to dodge that as the first post indicates if say, the first impression is me listening to classical music whilst drinking an IPA haha. My ability to tease out a theoretical thought exercise conversation in a trusting environment might diminish up front (is the fear) and then I won’t effectively engage in my favorite types of discussions.
I get where you’re coming from. I’m an isolated nobody from nowhere with no interest in anything but riding out my time on this rock haha.
If I had as much to think about, I’d be more conscious of those things as well. You have to be.
Thank goodness I don’t. Sometimes I get depressed when I think about who I am and how nihilism and lack of opportunity has made it impossible for me to participate in humanity (hillbilly from the middle of nowhere, 2nd poorest place in America). I’m glad I don’t have that kind of anxiety though. I’m not built for it.
Or maybe I was. I’ll never know.
We should always talk first and roll our eyes later, huh?
The fact that you immediately went to IPAs… Ugh.
Believe it or not, strong flavors are popular, IPAs are fucking great.
Now pickles, those a fucking garbage no human would willingly eat. Nobody actually likes that shit, people just pretend to so they seem cool.
Not me eating pickles straight out of the jar atm
I’m with you brother, my wife makes fun of how many pickles I eat. They are a staple in my refrigerator.
Why do people act as if taste isn’t literally subjective?
That was kind of my point but apparently IPAs are a protected species.
I’m not gonna hate on anyone. I drink pickle juice by the glass. And I do love a cold glass of peperoncini juice….
I once ran across a Berliner Weisse at a brewer’s festival that made excellent use of pickle juice. I had to try it out of curiosity, and while it was too much on the palate to drink many more than one, had a lived in the area I would have had one every evening. I wish I remembered the brewery so I could recommend it.
This is how I always understood Berliner Weisse: it’s more a basis for a drink than a beer in its own right.
But I think most Berliner Weisse are already sold with some taste added.
as some one who regularly listens to classical music…
that’s a stupid take. most of us who do, enjoy classical music. just because you don’t doesn’t mean there isn’t a reason other than “We like the idea of it”. I could say the same about whatever genres you listen to, and be just as wrong.
But he was being “fair”, lol
Agreed though, ridiculously stupid take.
imagine being confused that people do not enjoy mass produced drink made of lowest quality materials and prefer something that doesn’t taste like it has already been drank before…
also itt: people who think only IPA is craft beer. If you’re not into IPA, which is a matter of taste, you can just drink delicious craft lager and pilsner.
I can’t imagine being proud of limiting your experiences to the blandest shit imaginable because you’re literally incapable of understanding that taste is subjective.
So tell me, what’re your favourite Top-40s butt rock bands and corn-based mass produced light beers?
Classical music is like any music, some of it is uplifting and beautiful and some doesnt do it for me, maybe you should try it though and see for yourself
I have, my mother used to listen to classical music all the time.
Incredibly dull and uneventful.
not a classical guy, i love death grips, machine girl , post punk and thrash. but i would never say classical is ‘dull’. isnt there one that uses fucking cannons??
Tchaikovsky, yeah. Honestly, he’s got better stuff than that.
Iirc, Tchaikovsky wrote his 1812 Overture rather quickly to commemorate the defense of Russia against Napoleon and wasn’t too thrilled with it himself. I believe he called it noisy and without artistry, but I’m prone to collecting myths, so please do check my work.
“noisy and without artistry”
So, a perfect song for America
Is “prone to collecting myths” a turn of phrase? I’ve never heard it before, but it goes hard imho. Makes me wanna build a ttrpg encounter around it.
I was just looking to express my penchant for collecting pseudo-historical stories that I don’t feel compelled to check the accuracy of because they don’t purport to express anything important. Ngl though, I would play the fuck out of that encounter if you made it.
A bit of a cop out, but I’ve been wanting to tinker with the homebrewery, so I just made a lil 1 page NPC sheet for fun. Not quite an encounter, not even a statblock lol, but I was tinkering so I figured I’d share.
I agree but I think its weird some people are attached to old classical music composers. There is newer better stuff or even classical variants like you would hear in Bridgerton. Its painful watching kids playing those horrible scores at competitions just cause its traditional and expected.
Side note: 100% certain it was the songs cause after events I go to yt to check pros play them and it was still awful.
You can say exactly the same about any music
Yes I but i think its gatekeeping and pretentious. The elites just use old classical as their thing.
Opera was originally art for the masses. I get the thing about everyone thinking its elitest but i was brought up by 2 generations of working class people who loved opera and classical music. Worked at the Derby Playhouse, its just elitist because its in movies and stuff a lot