• lmuel@sopuli.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    8
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    11 hours ago

    Ladybird is certainly interesting to watch, it’s improving quite quickly.

    I know people on here hate it because of one (admittedly not at all nice) gender issue in the codes comments but like… seriously?

    • HStone32@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      5 hours ago

      guilty until proven innocent, for it is better that the innocent are condemed than for a guilty man go free. And should a trial be warranted, it shall be conducted not by jury, but by a tribunal of like-minded individuals.

      they’re live the perfect anti-libral.

      • mke@programming.dev
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        21 minutes ago

        I’ll give my take on it. Something many fail to grasp is that it’s not about a singular thing, you need to look at the context. Let’s go through some of it:

        • Andreas Kling, lead developer of (now-)Ladybird, rejects PR that changes “he” to “they” in documentation.
          • This is the most frequently mentioned example of Andreas’ issues.
          • The “he” in question referred to any user, where “they” is already commonly used instead by everything from companies, to news, to the Linux Kernel docs (an arguably much more important software project).
          • Andreas’ exact words: “This project is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics.”
          • This code was eventually merged 3 years laters in a different PR, this time described as “Grammar fixes” (it changes even more pronouns to gender neutral than the original did).
          • Later, someone publicly tried to explain to him why that’s not cool; he doubled down.
        • Andreas Kling really likes interacting with far-right, homophobic, or otherwise controversial persons.
          • Here’s him calling Brendan Eich, known homophobe, kicked out of Mozilla for… being a homophobe, now CEO of the foremost crypto browser, infamous for its bravery and attracting like-minded fans, “Senpai.”
            • Here’s him cheering for Brendan Eich, so you don’t think it’s an isolated instance. The only reason I won’t cite others is that I’m frankly tired of scrolling through his tweets, I should’ve saved these last time I went dumpster diving.
          • Here’s him welcoming Vaxry, infamous for the toxic community of his Hyprland project to the point of being kicked out of the freedesktop.org project. He’s also on record saying “I do believe there could be arguments to sway my opinion towards genocide”. There is a print of this, somewhere. I will find it and put it here.
          • Here’s him doing a talk with Bryan Lunduke, tech’s premier transphobe conspiracy theorist with a classic far-right victim-complex.
            • Trudging through Bryan’s slop wears on the mind, but here’s another example of him being ridiculous. Highlight of the article: “There are multiple Software and Computer organizations which have declared their support for the Trans fetish over the last few years…”
              • Read anything written by Bryan, then actually look into what he’s talking about by yourself. There are (at least) as many examples, as there are times Bryan has spoken about politics.
            • Here’s relatively prominent KDE developer Nicco’s hour long video detailing how Bryan is a horrible, lying “journalist.” That’s how bad Bryan sucks.
          • He also often interacts with other far-right users on Twitter, a platform he describes something along the lines of “full of positive energy.” I’ll try to find this again and add it here, too.
        • There’s more. I realize I’ll need to edit this comment anyway to add sources, so I’ll add to it as I go.

        Would I look at that PR and say I’m not touching Andreas with a ten-foot pole? Maybe that’s excessive. Would I ignore all the rest and say he’s just misunderstood? Hell no. For all its issues, I do hope Ladybird succeeds as a new browser engine because the internet needs more of those. I’m just not touching or otherwise supporting it unless they get their shit sorted.

    • gon [he]@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      9 hours ago

      I know people on here hate it because of one (admittedly not at all nice) gender issue in the codes comments but like… seriously?

      I actually recently had a discussion about this very issue and came to see it as a case of poor communication, rather than anything mean-spirited on the devs’ part.