Uh… The ICE haven’t been created out of thin air in January… You just ignored them before because it was a democrat in the adminstration.
What constitutes “far right?”
Funding genocide in Palestine, running the ICE and deporting more immigrants than trump did in 2016 (look it up), maintaining the military industrial complex, increasing rates of homelessness and prices of healthcare and rent and tuition…
Under Biden ICE wasn’t sending people to extraterritorial prisons without due process.
No, only Guantanamo operated that way. ICE was still a concentration camp though. Really grasping at straws aren’t we?
So, the existence of Ukraine, homelessness and high prices equal “Nazi?”
Maintaining Nazi policy of genocide in Gaza (failed to mention that one I see), and of economic and police violence (1 in 4 black males above 30 years old have been through the prison system in the US) is Nazi, yes.
It’s incredible that blueMAGA think that denying the Democrats role in the Gaza genocide does anything other than show everyone that they’re wilfully dishonest.
Migrant detention centers and prisons were a focus within the “build back better” set of legislature and the ICE raids and campus crackdowns I’m assuming you are referencing are a continuation of the Biden administration’s crackdown from well over a year ago.
If you’re just referencing Guantanamo bay as a migrant detention center then every president since 1974 has been guilty of concentration camps.
By that definition the Nazi death camps weren’t concentration camps, nor is anything Trump or Biden having done “concentration camps”.
A 5 minute hearing within a detention center does allow for an appeal, and is used by those with enough wealth/privilege/etc. However I suspect that isn’t what you meant, can you expand on that definition?
Edit: I realized there was also another interpretation which is that all jails, detention centers, police vehicles, etc. are concentration camps.
Is the argument “getting sent to” or “getting returned from”, 2nd argument is stronger but still a bad definition for the same reasons. The legal argument is that you can’t de-deport someone and it’s the responsibility of the other party to deport them back to the USA if they have been mistakenly deported. That being said maybe said laws and deportations in general are a fucked up concept to begin with?
It was an incredibly corrupt process (like most appeals processes are) but most famously it was the legal mechanism by which Oskar Schindler was able to protect his workers and expand his workforce.
I don’t think it is intrinsically wrong to deport someone who has entered the country illegally and a supermajority of Americans agree with that.
With that being said I find the American approach to dealing with immigration self-defeating regardless of what the actual goal is.
There is a fundamental difference between the laws in occupied Poland and the United States. There were no judges or appeals processes. Just Party functionaries whose hands needed greasing.
I don’t think it is intrinsically wrong to deport someone who has entered the country illegally and a supermajority of Americans agree with that.
Then you believe in a system where you can be sent to a place where there is no appeal process to return.
With that being said I find the American approach to dealing with immigration self-defeating regardless of what the actual goal is.
Agreed!
There is a fundamental difference between the laws in occupied Poland and the United States. There were no judges or appeals processes. Just Party functionaries whose hands needed greasing.
That’s kind of like saying “There were no judges or appeals processes for prisons in 21st century America, there were only plea deals made by law firms whose hands needed greasing.” It’s not functionally wrong, but it is technically and legally laughable.
The appeal process within occupied Poland was that first you needed to appeal to your local Judenräte who would negotiate on your behalf to the German occupation authorities. Except most of the time the individual was left out of the process and it was simply negotiations between the Judenräte and the Occupation authority. They were explicitly setup as judges within a form of lower court to manage these sorts of things and one of their strongest forms of resistance was to aquire documentation (sometimes falsified) in order to get those already within the ghettos to be classified as “mischlinge” and allowed out of the ghetto.
They can appeal while detained. That is different from being picked up on the street and sent to another country, no courts, no lawyers, no nothing.
Why is it laughable? Jews and Poles had no rights. The ultimate goal was their extermination. Anything else was just for convenience or to keep from clogging the arteries of genocide by sending too many at once.
She promised to institute a tax on unrealized gains.
What constitutes “far right?”
Trump has concentration camps. Biden didn’t. One assumes Kamala wouldn’t. If you don’t see a difference, it speaks to how privileged you are.
Biden built the camps Trump is using. Check yourself.
Uh… The ICE haven’t been created out of thin air in January… You just ignored them before because it was a democrat in the adminstration.
Funding genocide in Palestine, running the ICE and deporting more immigrants than trump did in 2016 (look it up), maintaining the military industrial complex, increasing rates of homelessness and prices of healthcare and rent and tuition…
Under Biden ICE wasn’t sending people to extraterritorial prisons without due process.
So, the existence of Ukraine, homelessness and high prices equal “Nazi?”
No, only Guantanamo operated that way. ICE was still a concentration camp though. Really grasping at straws aren’t we?
Maintaining Nazi policy of genocide in Gaza (failed to mention that one I see), and of economic and police violence (1 in 4 black males above 30 years old have been through the prison system in the US) is Nazi, yes.
Have you ever considered the total failure of any politicians you support might have to do with your hyperbole?
Just accept you don’t care about genocide as long as it’s a democrat enacting it, we’ll be over quicker
It would be a Likudnik enacting it.
And your insistence demonstrates my point.
It’s incredible that blueMAGA think that denying the Democrats role in the Gaza genocide does anything other than show everyone that they’re wilfully dishonest.
Who is everyone? Because the majority of Americans backed the candidate to the right of them on Israel.
What is your definition of “concentration camps”?
Migrant detention centers and prisons were a focus within the “build back better” set of legislature and the ICE raids and campus crackdowns I’m assuming you are referencing are a continuation of the Biden administration’s crackdown from well over a year ago.
If you’re just referencing Guantanamo bay as a migrant detention center then every president since 1974 has been guilty of concentration camps.
If you can appeal getting sent to it, it isn’t a concentration camp.
By that definition the Nazi death camps weren’t concentration camps, nor is anything Trump or Biden having done “concentration camps”.
A 5 minute hearing within a detention center does allow for an appeal, and is used by those with enough wealth/privilege/etc. However I suspect that isn’t what you meant, can you expand on that definition?
Edit: I realized there was also another interpretation which is that all jails, detention centers, police vehicles, etc. are concentration camps.
Trump is presently arguing that the courts cannot bring people back from El Salvador. Er go there is no appeal.
And I would like to see some evidence of courts getting people out of Nazi death camps.
Is the argument “getting sent to” or “getting returned from”, 2nd argument is stronger but still a bad definition for the same reasons. The legal argument is that you can’t de-deport someone and it’s the responsibility of the other party to deport them back to the USA if they have been mistakenly deported. That being said maybe said laws and deportations in general are a fucked up concept to begin with?
It was an incredibly corrupt process (like most appeals processes are) but most famously it was the legal mechanism by which Oskar Schindler was able to protect his workers and expand his workforce.
I don’t think it is intrinsically wrong to deport someone who has entered the country illegally and a supermajority of Americans agree with that.
With that being said I find the American approach to dealing with immigration self-defeating regardless of what the actual goal is.
There is a fundamental difference between the laws in occupied Poland and the United States. There were no judges or appeals processes. Just Party functionaries whose hands needed greasing.
Then you believe in a system where you can be sent to a place where there is no appeal process to return.
Agreed!
That’s kind of like saying “There were no judges or appeals processes for prisons in 21st century America, there were only plea deals made by law firms whose hands needed greasing.” It’s not functionally wrong, but it is technically and legally laughable.
The appeal process within occupied Poland was that first you needed to appeal to your local Judenräte who would negotiate on your behalf to the German occupation authorities. Except most of the time the individual was left out of the process and it was simply negotiations between the Judenräte and the Occupation authority. They were explicitly setup as judges within a form of lower court to manage these sorts of things and one of their strongest forms of resistance was to aquire documentation (sometimes falsified) in order to get those already within the ghettos to be classified as “mischlinge” and allowed out of the ghetto.
They can appeal while detained. That is different from being picked up on the street and sent to another country, no courts, no lawyers, no nothing.
Why is it laughable? Jews and Poles had no rights. The ultimate goal was their extermination. Anything else was just for convenience or to keep from clogging the arteries of genocide by sending too many at once.