While the science isn’t in a general consensus about the actual severity of experienced symptoms, there does seem to be good evidence that men generally do not have as strong of an immune system response to common flus, and that common flu vaccines are not as effective in men as they are in women.
Men are more likely to be hospitalized, as well as die from the common flu than women.
Current research seems to be exploring the idea that testosterone hampers immune response (antibody production) whereas estrogen promotes it.
Being dismissive of men’s less effective immune responses to common flus is about as sexist as a man similarly bellittling a woman having menstrual cramps.
The pop-cultural portrayal of men as overly weak and hysterical patients when facing a simple flu may hinder men from seeking for appropriate medical treatment because of a fear to be ridiculed. To avoid a culture of toxic masculinity, stereotypical portrayals of gender roles should be avoided."
The way you dismantle toxic masculinity is by listening to men when they describe their lived experiences, allowing them to feel comfortable and not judged when they describe their medical symptoms.
The way you reinforce toxic masculinity is by making it taboo for them to express when they are in pain, and mocking them when they aren’t acting like a big strong tough, toxically masculine guy.
EDIT: a quick overview of @chionogirl via nitter, she appears to be some kind of conservative tradwife/stay at home mom from the American South.
Their Valentines Day tweet is:
Happy Valentine’s Day to heterosexual monogamous couples only (heart emoji)
This website makes me feel like a maga conservative cause I spend all my time here thinking jesus fuck CHILL. Not every joke needs to be painstakingly combed through for all the ways it might be socially harmful so you can passive aggressively scold somebody for it.
God damn, she’s not calling him a pussy for complaining about his cold as a man. It’s just amusing that he’s using language similar to a mortally wounded soldier in a movie, when he merely has a cold.
Its… not like the joke was some kind of complex, voluminous written work that I searched through to find a few scant possibly problematic terms and blow them out of proportion.
Passive aggressive?
I wasn’t passive at all. I was quite direct. I very clearly said that this kind of a joke is sexist and harmful, and explained the reasons why.
Passive aggressive would be… being indirect, implying a thing without explicitly saying it.
… Like what this joke does.
The joke doesn’t work if there are not preconceived notions of when it is and is not acceptable for a man to express themself in a way that would imply they are in extreme pain.
I showed medical documentation pointing toward the likelihood that he may actually be in extreme pain, and your response is ‘its just a cold’.
You seem to be quite triggered, throwing around total mischaracterizations of what I said, e-shouting CHILL in all caps, frequently cursing…
You’re certainly coming off as having an irrational and emotional response to this, your stance is literally ‘its just a joke bro’, much like a MAGA.
“talking like a man dying in battle”: This refers to a tropy type of scene in various works of fiction where a soldier has taken what is obviously a mortal wound. But the soldier is in denial so they speak about how they’ll heal from the wound and about what they’ll do when they get back home…as if they won’t be dying momentarily.
Okay, so then this twitter woman’s husband gets sick right? And he says “I’m gonna heal up and smoke us some ribs…Just like we used to do…I’m gonna get better”. The content, structure, and tone of those few sentences (if you allow your mind to get into a little bit of a relaxed and humor oriented state) is reminiscent of the way the dying soldiers in fiction often speak.
So here’s where the humor comes in. The husband just has a cold! Why is he saying those things? Of course he’s going to “get better”. But that silly billy was talking like a dying soldier when it was just a cold!!! Isn’t that a knee slapper. His problem was so small compared to the soldier’s but he spoke about it in the same way! Why, he’s a man! He shouldn’t complain when he’s suffering at all! What a pussy!
Oh wait. She didn’t say that last part. She didn’t imply it. Cause that’s not what the joke is about. Cause the joke isn’t reliant on notions of gender roles. At best ideas about gender roles adds some salt to the flavor of the joke.
Edit: I toned it down, but I hope my sarcasm and disdain for you still comes through.
Yeah I didn’t interpret it like he was mocking him, it’s like she thought it was charming and cute. Trying to enjoy lemmy while ignoring the politics is like trying to enjoy playboy while ignoring the porn
While the science isn’t in a general consensus about the actual severity of experienced symptoms, there does seem to be good evidence that men generally do not have as strong of an immune system response to common flus, and that common flu vaccines are not as effective in men as they are in women.
https://www.livescience.com/61164-man-flu-real.html
Men are more likely to be hospitalized, as well as die from the common flu than women.
Current research seems to be exploring the idea that testosterone hampers immune response (antibody production) whereas estrogen promotes it.
Being dismissive of men’s less effective immune responses to common flus is about as sexist as a man similarly bellittling a woman having menstrual cramps.
https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/man-flu-cold-real-or-not/
The way you dismantle toxic masculinity is by listening to men when they describe their lived experiences, allowing them to feel comfortable and not judged when they describe their medical symptoms.
The way you reinforce toxic masculinity is by making it taboo for them to express when they are in pain, and mocking them when they aren’t acting like a big strong tough, toxically masculine guy.
EDIT: a quick overview of @chionogirl via nitter, she appears to be some kind of conservative tradwife/stay at home mom from the American South.
Their Valentines Day tweet is:
What a gem of a person.
This website makes me feel like a maga conservative cause I spend all my time here thinking jesus fuck CHILL. Not every joke needs to be painstakingly combed through for all the ways it might be socially harmful so you can passive aggressively scold somebody for it.
God damn, she’s not calling him a pussy for complaining about his cold as a man. It’s just amusing that he’s using language similar to a mortally wounded soldier in a movie, when he merely has a cold.
… Painstakingly combed through?
Its… not like the joke was some kind of complex, voluminous written work that I searched through to find a few scant possibly problematic terms and blow them out of proportion.
Passive aggressive?
I wasn’t passive at all. I was quite direct. I very clearly said that this kind of a joke is sexist and harmful, and explained the reasons why.
Passive aggressive would be… being indirect, implying a thing without explicitly saying it.
… Like what this joke does.
The joke doesn’t work if there are not preconceived notions of when it is and is not acceptable for a man to express themself in a way that would imply they are in extreme pain.
I showed medical documentation pointing toward the likelihood that he may actually be in extreme pain, and your response is ‘its just a cold’.
You seem to be quite triggered, throwing around total mischaracterizations of what I said, e-shouting CHILL in all caps, frequently cursing…
You’re certainly coming off as having an irrational and emotional response to this, your stance is literally ‘its just a joke bro’, much like a MAGA.
My brother in christ… Let me explain the joke so you can understand the way it doesn’t rely on any notions of gender to work. For an external example, listen to Patton Oswalt tell a similar joke that also compares something trivial (his pants not fitting) to a dying soldier.
“talking like a man dying in battle”: This refers to a tropy type of scene in various works of fiction where a soldier has taken what is obviously a mortal wound. But the soldier is in denial so they speak about how they’ll heal from the wound and about what they’ll do when they get back home…as if they won’t be dying momentarily.
Okay, so then this twitter woman’s husband gets sick right? And he says “I’m gonna heal up and smoke us some ribs…Just like we used to do…I’m gonna get better”. The content, structure, and tone of those few sentences (if you allow your mind to get into a little bit of a relaxed and humor oriented state) is reminiscent of the way the dying soldiers in fiction often speak.
So here’s where the humor comes in. The husband just has a cold! Why is he saying those things? Of course he’s going to “get better”. But that silly billy was talking like a dying soldier when it was just a cold!!! Isn’t that a knee slapper. His problem was so small compared to the soldier’s but he spoke about it in the same way!
Why, he’s a man! He shouldn’t complain when he’s suffering at all! What a pussy!Oh wait. She didn’t say that last part. She didn’t imply it. Cause that’s not what the joke is about. Cause the joke isn’t reliant on notions of gender roles. At best ideas about gender roles adds some salt to the flavor of the joke.
Edit: I toned it down, but I hope my sarcasm and disdain for you still comes through.
Yeah I didn’t interpret it like he was mocking him, it’s like she thought it was charming and cute. Trying to enjoy lemmy while ignoring the politics is like trying to enjoy playboy while ignoring the porn
You are the one clicking the button to come here. There are plenty of other places where you can ignorantly laugh along with bigots. 🤷🏼♂️
Mortally wounded soldier.
Hahahahahaha! That’s freaking brilliant. Thanks for the laugh.