• Because it’s only 20% of the money they have saved from canceling programs. So it’s a big refund to us, that we’ve already paid the gvt.

      But you are totally free to donate your 5K check if you don’t believe in it.

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        Leaving aside how often theyve been proven by their own numbers to be lying about their totals, it’s not even complicated math that you’re getting bamboozled by.

        Hell, you don’t even need to do the math, you could logic your way out of this pretty easily.

        Did you pay $5000 in federal taxes minus FICA last year? Did you pay $25k?

        What happened the last time these idiots turned on a money printer?

        Will these “savings” be disbursed every year? You’re not getting the services that apparently cost 5x as much anymore.

        Why not start a $25k yearly UBI if they aren’t lying about the savings? The science is incredibly clear, it’d pay for itself, make even more programs unnecessary, and end homelessness overnight. Not to mention kick the economy into overdrive.

        What does Elon, crypto enthusiast, have to gain from another round of inflation? Or the owner class in general, whose wealth is tied into inflation-resistant property?

        No, I won’t be burning the check in a pointless gesture of defiance.

        I’ll be buying guns and ammo with it for the collapse.

        • Why not start a $25k yearly UBI if they aren’t lying about the savings?

          I’d be totally fine with that.

          The science is incredibly clear, it’d pay for itself, make even more programs unnecessary, and end homelessness overnight.

          You’ve obviously never worked with the homeless community. Trust me, it would NOT end homelessness. lol

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                I can’t believe I’m agreeing with you of all people, but I have as well and as strange as it may sound to people who haven’t, there is a certain proportion of the homeless population which is homeless by choice. It’s not a large proportion, but it’s not that small either.

                It’s a chicken and egg problem with many schizophrenic and borderline homeless where you can’t tell if they ended up on the street due to mental illness or if living on the street made them mentally ill, but I have personally seen people choose to leave housing projects to go back to the street, and have heard similar stories from others.

                That said, of course using this fact as an excuse to not do everything we can to house the majority of homeless who do want homes and to support the ones who don’t in other ways (soup kitchens, clinics, etc and mental health counseling for those who want it) is absurd.

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                  Thank you. I’m glad there is finally someone else in this conversation that has also worked with the homeless.

                  I don’t know why people don’t think I’m sympathetic to homeless people–actually I do, they are just mad because I didn’t vote for Harris–but I am sympathetic. If I wasn’t, I wouldn’t have been able to work with them for so many years.

                  But it’s an addiction/mental illness problem, not an income problem for most homeless.

                  In fact, it’s very easy to look up too. So I don’t even understand why people here are arguing.

                  Now, money committed to the overall problem is needed, but UBI to people won’t actually solve the homeless situation for most of that population. Money for programs to help them, and stay with them, etc, WILL. But that’s not what what UBI is, and that is the point I was making.

                  And here’s the thing that Lemmy needs to know about this situation: Democrats have been in power plenty of times over the years. And the problem still hasn’t been solved. This isn’t a “Republicans caused this mess” problem. BOTH parties have fucked up on addressing this.

                  But I guess it’s easier for computer nerds who have never had to struggle in life just to say to say that I’m lying when I say I worked with the population for years. That’s easier than actually doing anything about it.

                  So Lemmy, step up. Dedicate your time and your money to helping the homeless. Then come back to this conversation and tell us what you learned.

                  Cuz I’m not taking Lemmy seriously. You guys have made $80K + a years since you were fucking 20. You all don’t know shit about the homeless population or what it’s like to work with them.

                  Not you, Peruvian Skies, I am talking about the other armchair critics in this thread.

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    I know the hard sciences aren’t a strong suit around these parts, but do some very basic math. 55 billion divided by 5,000 is 11 million.

    There’s no way to “No True Scotsman” the number of Americans down to 11 million. So how will they decide who gets the money?

    I think we already know…

    • Meh, I think they are just throwing out that number or funsies. But to your point, to be more accurate, and if they stuck with head of households $400 to $500 would work. And I’d be fine with that.

      Who knows. But ANY DOGE dividend would be fine with me. Better yet, get rid of all this nonsense and just go flat tax and UBI. I’d be stoked about that more than anything.

      And I’d gladly call Trump “King” if he did that. lmao

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        And I’d gladly call Trump “King” if he did that

        Careful, you might choke

        . . . oh wait, its too small for that

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        “Head of household” and “king”. What century do you live in?

        Edit: UBI would be cool though, but conservatives tend to hate the idea of giving away money “for free”. This money is just to allow them to tear down the state and democracy in peace, saving them some time.

        • “Head of household” and “king”. What century do you live in?

          Do you do your taxes? Head of household term was on this year’s tax return. You are not familiar with that term? Do you live in the US and do your own taxes?

          And “king” was a joke.

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            Yes, I’m not from the US, so please excuse my ignorance, it just sounded so old school patriarchal that I assumed that it was a thing of the past. So a household with a mother and a father, are both of them heads of the household then? And if not, do they have to decide who is?

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              Ahh, ok. So if you aren’t from the US, why are you being so passionate about US politics? I mean, you are totally welcome to do so, but I’m curious about why.

              Head of Household is a filing status for unmarried taxpayers who pay more than half the cost of maintaining a home for themselves and a qualifying dependent. To qualify, the taxpayer must be unmarried or considered unmarried on the last day of the tax year and have a dependent who meets IRS criteria. For married couples, the equivalent of Head of Household is typically Married Filing Jointly (MFJ) if both spouses file together, or Married Filing Separately (MFS) if they file individually. Married Filing Jointly offers the best tax benefits, while Married Filing Separately may be used in specific situations, such as when spouses want to keep tax liabilities separate.

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                Thanks for the thorough explanation of the us tax forms! 😅

                Well, I care primarily because what US does affects the whole world. Theo world is much more unstable and unsafe since trump took office.

                I also believe in the principle of freedom and democracy and I think it’s sad to see it deteriorate, because I see how it will hurt people. I followed the riots in Hong Kong too as young people tried to fight for their right of self governance, if only for a few more years.

                I guess I’m just interested too! :)

                • Theo world is much more unstable and unsafe since trump took office.

                  No it’s not. The fucking world is full of bad people doing bad things. THEY are making the world unstable and unsafe. Other countries can stand up and do shit if they think it’s bad.

                  I also believe in the principle of freedom and democracy and I think it’s sad to see it deteriorate,

                  It’s not deteriorating. The majority of American people wanted Trump in office, and they voted him in office. That’s democracy. If you don’t like it, then handle your shit in your own country the way you want things handled.

                  I guess I’m just interested too! :)

                  Which is awesome. I applaud that. But just so you know, Lemmy is NOT even close to having the opinions of the majority of Americans. Which is why so many on Lemmy were surprised that Trump won. Lemmy is out of touch with the average american, and most Americans have never even heard of Lemmy. Lemmy is a very very small extremes sample of people who don’t really know much about the average American way of life.