Democratic lawmakers rushed to defend Volodymyr Zelenskyy after the Ukrainian leader was publicly berated by Donald Trump in a disastrous Oval Office meeting.
The US president accused Zelenskyy of “gambling with world war three” while his vice-president, JD Vance, called the Ukrainian leader “disrespectful”, before cutting short talks aimed at kicking off the process of ending Kyiv’s three-year war with Russia.
Zelenskyy abruptly left the White House soon after without signing a rare critical minerals deal with the US that Trump has said is the first step toward a ceasefire agreement that he is seeking to broker between Russia and Ukraine.
What scenario doesn’t Ukraine get stripped for parts by some “empire” in your worldview? Because you obviously think that russia’s invasion was the west’s decision too. And Ukraine’s decision not to roll over is also US imperialism or whatever.
They’ve been on this trajectory since 2014.
If that’s how you see it, it’s been in this trajectory since 1993, 2004, 2007, 2014, 2022. Russia would always come back to reclaim Ukraine, like they did Georgia, what do you suggest they should have done? What should Canada do if trump tries to annex it, rollover?
Putin wouldn’t have been able to occupy the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine if he invaded out of the blue, there would be a massive insurgency, let alone justify the necessity of the invasion to the people he depends on to remain in power if there hadn’t been a coup.
But yes, Putin would never have come to power and former USSR countries wouldn’t have a problem with right-wing nationalists if we hadn’t supported Yeltsin’s coup and then intentionally immiserated the population during the 90s.
That’s why Russia rolled for Kyiv?
Because they wanted to somehow protect the people in Eastern Ukraine, while they now bombard them non stop?
Protecting the people in eastern Ukraine was a justification they used, which they wouldn’t have been able to use if the right-wing government the US propped up in kyiv hadn’t passed discriminatory laws and failed to stop azov and friends from shelling them.
This has been debunked. The Donbas “rebellion” would have fizzled out without military support from the Kremlin (Igor Girkin himself admitted to this), Boris Nemtsov was assassinated for publishing a report on putin’s proxy war in the Donbas. But after an surprise invasion and 3 years of debating with people like you, if you can’t get the facts right, there is no point in debating anymore.
There is something I’ve been meaning to ask someone who lived it: was watching Yeltsin on TV as bad as watching trump? Was it the same brand of buffooning chaos and mindless dismantlement of institutions?
I never thought of that, next time I talk to a Russian I’ll ask. I suspect was probably more like watching Newsmax given the role Russian media plays in maintaining power. There’s probably an editorial explaining why Yeltsin getting drunk and falling in a river in DC was actually a diplomatic masterstroke.