As a dramatic oversimplification: how dare you tell us that forcing domestic pets into a vegan diet is animal cruelty! We’re going to make our own instance, with blackjack and hookers!
There was some stuff about vegan users being harassed after the “vegan pets” debacle too, but they’re effectively “We need our own space where we can be as dramatically vegan as we want to be with no opposition”.
are they as bad as the vegan subreddit was? It straight up put me off becoming a vegan because they are just such fucking assholes. I was trying to see if they had any good studies for health benifits because I don’t find ethical veganism convincing personally. And they came up with what amounted to a slur to discuss non vegans (no it is not an actual slur but they sure used it like one) and it was fucking hilarious because carnist sounds way more badass than omnivore.
Misogynist men said the said thing about feminism in the 1950s.
They literally already said they weren’t looking to convert to veganism for moral reasons, so I don’t know what point you think you’re making.
There was a willing ally in the reduction of meat consumption and the mainstreaming of vegan options, but the vegan community they encountered decided that insufficient orthodoxy was reason enough to encourage their ‘carnist’ enemy to go back to murdering animals for food.
If someone in 1918 says, “I don’t think women are equal, but I do think they deserve the vote”, the correct response is not to attack them; it’s to make common cause with them until women get the vote - and fuck, that they’re already ahead of the curve may mean that they can be swayed by the positions of their new allies.
But many online vegans (and I specify online, since the only vegans I’ve met irl have been pretty nice folks, even to a ‘carnist’ like me) treat it as a religion, a fashion; an identity.
Meat is murder - but murder, apparently, is preferable to wrongthink.
As a dramatic oversimplification: how dare you tell us that forcing domestic pets into a vegan diet is animal cruelty! We’re going to make our own instance, with blackjack and hookers!
There was some stuff about vegan users being harassed after the “vegan pets” debacle too, but they’re effectively “We need our own space where we can be as dramatically vegan as we want to be with no opposition”.
are they as bad as the vegan subreddit was? It straight up put me off becoming a vegan because they are just such fucking assholes. I was trying to see if they had any good studies for health benifits because I don’t find ethical veganism convincing personally. And they came up with what amounted to a slur to discuss non vegans (no it is not an actual slur but they sure used it like one) and it was fucking hilarious because carnist sounds way more badass than omnivore.
Misogynist men said the said thing about feminism in the 1950s.
They literally already said they weren’t looking to convert to veganism for moral reasons, so I don’t know what point you think you’re making.
There was a willing ally in the reduction of meat consumption and the mainstreaming of vegan options, but the vegan community they encountered decided that insufficient orthodoxy was reason enough to encourage their ‘carnist’ enemy to go back to murdering animals for food.
If someone in 1918 says, “I don’t think women are equal, but I do think they deserve the vote”, the correct response is not to attack them; it’s to make common cause with them until women get the vote - and fuck, that they’re already ahead of the curve may mean that they can be swayed by the positions of their new allies.
But many online vegans (and I specify online, since the only vegans I’ve met irl have been pretty nice folks, even to a ‘carnist’ like me) treat it as a religion, a fashion; an identity.
Meat is murder - but murder, apparently, is preferable to wrongthink.