I hope he got a lot of money to sell us out.
The pseudo-fascists will always bow before the real fascists. Only one way to get rid of fascists.
Probably in the minority here and I’m not a fan of establishment Democrats, but his reasoning that Trump would use the shutdown to move without court interference seemed logical to me.
Even so, the way Schumer handled this was just awful. Vulnerable Democrats in the House stuck their necks out to vote against the CR. Then Schumer acted like he was going to filibuster it, but it was really just a procedural ruse. He burned his colleagues in the House and the Democratic base. If he was going to allow the CR to proceed, then he should have been signalling that since the beginning, and he certainly should never have acted like he was going to block it.
Also, as a personal matter, the tone that Schumer has been taking really grates on me. His solution is always to just roll over and let the Republicans do whatever. Maybe that’s the rational thing to do, reasonable minds can disagree, but he always seems so smug about it, as if that were obviously correct, and anyone who suggests that we should fight is a moron.
And whenever I hear him talk, I never get a sense of urgency. It’s as if nothing that’s going on really bothers him, and he’s 100% certain that things will turn out just fine like they always have. And that’s just objectively not true. Regardless of what our strategy should be, Trump is doing irreversible damage. Even if we end up winning the House in 2026 and the Presidency in 2028, our international reputation is going to be completely fucked for at least a decade, and very likely longer than that. Schumer should be worried, even if only for his own self-interest, because the system that has been so good to him is at risk of collapsing.
Even if he made the rational move in allowing the CR to proceed, I really think he’s just not a good leader or spokesperson for the party.
And whenever I hear him talk, I never get a sense of urgency. It’s as if nothing that’s going on really bothers him, and he’s 100% certain that things will turn out just fine like they always have.
They’ve all sounded like that for my entire life as I watched the world fall apart around me.
Their world is doing just fine!
But that’s not even true. Trump is fucking things up for everyone in difficult-to-reverse ways. Schumer just doesn’t seem to have realized that.
You know Trump could have just vetoed the spending bill and then got his shutdown right? Or the Republicans could have not submitted a bill or even voted against with that argument that it was better for Trump to have his way.
This has just legitimized him further in that when push comes to shove people (Democrats) do agree with giving him what he wants. He’s an unchecked bully.
This is not logical it’s easy.Whoever shuts down the government, loses. Republicans can’t just veto the bill or not pass a budget. But they CAN pass something Democrats don’t like and then blame Democrats for shutting down the government if they filibuster it. And voters WOULD blame Democrats, because they would be the party blocking the bill.
Run through the logic, after they stop this budget. Trump does whatever he wants while people blame Democrats, and eventually the Democrats cave and pass it anyway after allowing irreperable harm and harming their ability to take back the House in 2026, or they cave by letting Trump whatever he wants indefinitely.
The fascists will do what they want either way. They only use laws when it is convenient for them to do so.
What the fascists wanted was to be legitimized by bipartisan support of their bill. They wanted the Democrats to consent in advance. To take the next small step willingly.
Chuck Schumer has handed the country over to the fascists in exchange for nothing because he serves the same billionaires.
There wasn’t a sudden realization from Schumer that flipped his opposition on Wednesday to his support on Thursday. That was his obvious cover to try to hide the billionaires he serves. Don’t fall for it.
Whoever controls the messaging can blame the other party for the shutdown. Democrats don’t bother to even have a narrative let alone control one. They fight in a strictly performative way. So no matter what happens Republicans can always blame Democrats and without an alternative view point pushed people who aren’t politically engaged are more likely to believe Republicans.
The ten Democrat Senators who voted for the CR do not care about winning. They care about raising their donors’ stock portfolios.
The fascists will do what they want either way. They only use laws when it is convenient for them to do so.
If that’s your actual stance, then none of what Schumer or any Democrat does, matters at all.
What the fascists wanted was to be legitimized by bipartisan support of their bill. They wanted the Democrats to consent in advance. To take the next small step willingly.
In what world is this the thing that matters? You’re really saying fascists would do whatever they want regardless of all laws or institutions, but…not really, the one man holding them back was Chuck Schumer, minority leader in the Senate.
Chuck Schumer has handed the country over to the fascists in exchange for nothing because he serves the same billionaires.
I see how you’re getting here, he does fund raise from Democratic billionaires, but the Internet Leftist urge to just dismiss anyone with any political power as not ideologically pure enough and thus the enemy puts such a small ceiling on the movement in terms of actual political results. Nothing to do with this comment thread it’s just something that annoys me.
There wasn’t a sudden realization from Schumer that flipped his opposition on Wednesday to his support on Thursday. That was his obvious cover to try to hide the billionaires he serves. Don’t fall for it.
He flipped overnight, ok. What’s the more likely scenario, he got some overnight polling that showed people were going to blame the Democrats for the shutdown so he switched out of political necessity, or he…secretly agreed with the Republicans the whole time but decided to pretend to oppose it for exactly one day for no reason.
Whoever controls the messaging can blame the other party for the shutdown. Democrats don’t bother to even have a narrative let alone control one.
Voters are not dumb, they just don’t all agree with you politically. They blamed Congressional Republicans in the Ted Cruz shutdown over Obamacare, and they blamed Trump in the shutdown over the Wall. Because those are the people who caused it. In this case, it would be the Democrats forcing a shutdown.
Fascists want us to comply in advance. Democrats, the opposition party, complied in advance. It is well understood that fascists move one step at a time so that they can execute their plans without serious opposition from the people.
So it does matter what Schumer does, because the fascists wanted to move unopposed and he, as minority leader, let them get away with it. My point is that Schumer’s fake concern that the fascists will have more leeway with a shutdown is bunk. The fascists goal was to get congressional approval and they got it for free.
Nothing to do with this comment thread it’s just something that annoys me.
This isn’t about leftist moral purity. Chuck Schumer sided with the fascists on the only recourse we had to meaningfully resist them for the next six months. He betrayed us for billionaires. He add the ability to get results. Instead, he threw away the country for nothing. Billionaires are not our friends. They would happily see us off to the death camps if they could make more money that way. Which is what they are doing right now. We need to have a greater sense of self-preservation than working with someone who is effectively a Republican.
What’s the more likely scenario
His donors told him to not shut down the government to save their stock value. He doesn’t agree with Republicans. Billionaires have a class interest to increase the value of the shares they own. All the politicians who serve billionaires instead of working class voters are going to vote the same way. Because no matter which billionaires politicians serve the billionaires share the same interest. It’s the simplest explanation.
Voters are not dumb
It’s not an intelligence test. Voters aren’t paying attention because they don’t have time because they live pay check to pay check. Mike Johnson, the House majority leader, still blamed Democrats for almost shutting the government down even though he was the one who put the House on recess to put pressure on the Senate.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/14/aoc-chuck-schumer-gop-funding-bill
But House Speaker Mike Johnson sent his members home to their districts after Republicans advanced the spending bill on Tuesday, effectively forcing Senate Democrats to accept the measure as passed or risk a shutdown. In a statement on Friday, Johnson applauded his caucus for sticking together and accused Democrats of nearly triggering a shutdown “simply because they seem to hate President Trump more than they love America”.
This is messaging. That’s the sort of thing that’s gets on Fox or CNN aired totally uncritically and if that’s all a person hears between now and the midterms that’s going to be a deciding factor in how they vote. edit: typos
Power that is not exercised isn’t power anymore.
Sure, so they don’t have power right now. Republicans control both houses of Congress and the presidency. Blame the voters who wanted this scenario if you don’t like it.
Schumer is playing the long game trying to get power back at the midterms.
This CR gives Musk a ticket to do whatever he wants, anyways.
So, why give him money to do it?
I see the logic behind it, but cant decide if the system is now so broken that his logic even works in the new framework.
I dunno who that guy is, but every time I see his face all I can think is…
What the fuck is wrong with this guy? And what’s wrong with New York that it keeps electing worthless sacks of shit like him and Gillibrand?
I’m sure when Chancellor Trump orders the purging of opposition leaders, he’ll leave you alone for sucking his dick like this. Surely debasing yourself before wild animals will keep you from being ripped to shreds by them.
Dictators kill their enemies. Everyone who isn’t, and hasn’t always BEEN their fiercely loyal, obedient ally is an enemy. Especially if they’re a declining, psychopathic, malignant narcissist.
All the progressives should unite under a NEW party banner
I’m not sure if that would be easier than usurping power by primarying d’s who don’t get in line but clearly the geriatric dinosaurs in power in the DNC are half the problem.
The rightwing was really successful in primarying weak republicans who wouldn’t toe the line but they essentially had free money (PACs) to do so. The nascent left has no such source of funding, the Sorosbucks to Stanleynickles is terrible.
Just a reminder than the dnc knew Bernie was a stronger option than Hillary but gave her the nomination instead. The dnc only cares about your money, not your opinion.
I agree with that.
It would be far easier for them to just hijack the Democratic party the way the far-right did the Republicans.
Do you want Republicans to gain infinite power forever? Because that’s how you give Republicans infinite power forever.
Oh wait that already happened.
We need a Tea Party of the Left
Instead of the ‘Taxed Enough Already’; the left needs the ‘Tax Elites Already’ movement!
The TEA Party, apart from being funded by oligarchs, relied upon their target audience’s patriotism.
The left has no patriotism because we know history, so it won’t work on us.
They will
Big surprise, old suits in the democratic party don’t represent the modern democratic voter.
There needs to be term limits, especially based on age, and to whipe out any form of stock trading and “donations”.
The reason they’re still in office is for 30 years the DNC has put protecting incumbents above all else, including beating republicans.
The DNC power structure is pretty much the opposite of a democracy, but we just got our furtherest left chair in over 30 years, and his performance as a state party leader shows his biggest concern is beating Republicans, and he’s accomplished that to great success by just not putting the party in-between voters and the progressive candidates they want to vote for.
It’s an incredibly low bar, but one Ken Martin easily clears.
Don’t hate the (literally a month old) new blood for the failings of the old.
The reason they’re still in office is for 30 years the DNC has put protecting incumbents above all else
Protecting centrist incumbents above all else. They didn’t do shit to protect Cori Bush or Jamaal Bowman, for exactly one reason.
I’m not giving anyone this shitty party selected for any position the benefit of the doubt until I see how they actually behave in situ.
New blood needs to start pushing the old blood down the stairs.
Just for the record, this is what democrats always do, and it’s why they keep fucking losing.
Democrats would rather have trump than have a social-democratic platform, and it shows every time they have the opportunity to fight him and chose to capitulate instead. The democrats aren’t a left-wing party, certainly not now, and arguably not since FDR.
There is always a few Democrats to fuck shit up. This time there were 10! I hope to see the day where Shumer and Fetterman both fuck off into the sunset.
Two sides of the same coin if you will.
You can’t have a coin with one side, and both sides need coin in their bank account.
The problem is, both parties serve someone, and it’s not the common man. The Republican party is a lot more effective at maintaining the illusion – look at how many of their constituents consistently vote against their own interests and are proud to do so.
There’s people working for Federal agencies RIGHT NOW that have either already been terminated or are on the rocks and they are STILL Trump supporters. They are willing to destroy their own lives just to “own the libs” and it will be interesting to see how far this trend will be taken.
“VoTe BlUe no mAtTeR who”
Liberals as always would rather side with fascists.
How are you gonna explain this one away @someguy3@lemmy.world ?
I don’t know why you are picking fights and letting a faceless, random Internet stranger live rent free in your mind. The centrist Democrats/liberals are tone deaf. There is no getting through to them other than their value of private property, free market and stocks. If those things are even nudged, they will immediately side with fascists and make up some circular logic of excuses, instead of admitting what they truly value for siding with fascists.
Who said I have to explain it away? Nice strawman!
So you’re finally agreeing that the DNC is useless?
Thank you for demonstrating again that you really rely on strawmans! Ciao.
So when people voted for Schumer they should be happy he’s doing this?
Please answer how this is accepted by you.
And the next person comes in with strawmans! Lol. Ciao.
Please state how Schumer is a good person here deserving of the vote of the public.
“I have claimed you’re a straw man, I win! Bye!”
They aren’t sending their best bootlickers.
Ok but this isn’t what I voted for last November and I’m quickly running out of reasons to vote ever again until these dumb fucks actually do something to oppose him. Might as well let the fascists have all the seats, the Dems only apparent purpose right now is to further legitimize trumps unconstitutionality.
I swear if Gavin fucking Newsom gets the nomination, I’ll take my chances with Vance… And that’s not a compliment at Vance, Gavin’s just THAT openly transphobic that Vance looks like a good person BY COMPARISON, I know they’re both transphobes.
God… a situation where I’d support Vance, are things really getting that bad
Course if it’s Trump Jr. I’m going to try to grab a ballot, only to throw up all over it… That apple hasn’t fallen from the tree, somehow it’s floating over it
Walz however, I can live with and vote for willingly without a gun to my head.
You mean to say that you disagree with democrats voting to end cloture?
He won’t answer. He loves them doing this. “nice strawman! i dont need to defend my views!”
I quit. American politics are a circus sideshow full of dancing turds. At this point, let it burn. The side that I vote for won’t even stand up against this shit, so what good is my vote now?
Just a bunch of rich assholes doing whatever they want.
It won’t burn on its own. It will only get worse if left unattended.
I’m just so disappointed in the fact that there are so many people in this country that actually voted for this shit. How can people sell themselves out like that, just to be able to say, “I owned the libs loool”
I don’t even know what to think anymore.
Cmon, they cheated. We all know it. Even they know it. And by not addressing it and shining a light on it, Democrats are INVITING them to do it again in 2026 and 2028. In 2028, HitlerPig will win his unConstitutional reelection with 98% of the vote, and use that “overwhelming popularity” to justify ignoring the Constitutional prohibition against a third term.
It’s to do with where people stand. Most people in the US, despite their rhetoric, would be more centrist than many people realize (and between both major parties). That means most aren’t in agreement with much of what Trump is doing internationally or with respect to Musk/DOGE in application, though most might support broad ideas of ‘putting the US first’, ‘reducing the size/cost of the US government’, ‘stopping illegal immigration/deporting illegal immigrants’ etc. But crucially, this also means that most eligible voters are also right of the vocal elements of the left that play up political correctness, identity politics, and social economic policy (economic policy further left-wing than what we see at the moment). So in an election, if neither side really aligns with the majority of voters, it’s easy to see how voters can be swayed by voting against the current party in power, voting due to marketing/propaganda, or voting against the party that seems most radical in ways that differ from voters’ ideas/interests. Trump didn’t campaign on annexing Canada, or invading Greenland, but he did campaign on deporting illegal immigrants and reducing the size of government. And many people saw Harris as a continuation of Biden but with a more socially liberal (or further left on this) attitude and a stronger association with identity politics. So if Trump in his first term didn’t do much that most people would consider lasting harm (despite his antics and buffoonery) and campaigned on ideas that the majority agree with, whereas Harris was a continuation of an unpopular presidency/government (at least at the end) but with a flair of things that most people don’t align with, well, the result speaks for itself: a landslide in the electoral college. The only way forward for democrats is to capitalise on the mistakes Trump is making (unpopular decisions and attitudes), to seem reasonable and grounded to the majority, and to not veer off and start pushing for social issues most of the voting center doesn’t really buy (so for example focus on creating a better immigration system and treating immigrants fairly, but not legalising illegal immigrants. Or pushing for general social protections, workers’ rights, consumer rights, better and broader healthcare coverage and business regulation without straying into a focus on minority rights, trans terminology battles, antireligious discourse or attacking tradionalists/older folks’ viewpoints.) If you can win the center you can win the election. And you do that by appealing to the traditional center (and definitely not by antagonising it).
But crucially, this also means that most eligible voters are also right of the vocal elements of the left that play up political correctness, identity politics, and social economic policy (economic policy further left-wing than what we see at the moment).
The evidence does not support this, it in fact supports the opposite conclusion.
I think you need to think long and hard about why your perception is so confidently and boldly at odds with reality.
Lemme get this straight: you say the Democratic party’s policy of espousing a conservative approach on the issues of the day (immigration needs controlling, trans kids bad, Israel a-ok, etc) to peel voters from the Republican party was not only a good plan, but the only course of action they could reasonably take to win the election?
The Democratic party doesn’t need to espouse any of that, it just needs to be less belligerent about opposing the issues since they’re issues where the party’s stance isn’t quite shared by the majority of the population. If you remove the stumbling blocks for voters, and instead focus attention on where the party shares its views with the majority of the US population, then wouldn’t it be natural that more of the center would shift your way?
That’s why the American people have to do it themselves. Take to the streets. The system has failed you. No one will save you but yourselves.
You know what my grandfather did to fight fascism? He carried a Garand and a 50lb satchel charge.
Fuck voting. Fuck letters. Fuck calls.
Come to Europe. We got ice cream and free healthcare. Also you don’t need a gun to protect yourself when going out for a walk.
I think those of us who want to leave cant…
I mean I KNOW I’m fucked, I’d save my wife…but who would accept us? Likely not one single European nation.
I’m disabled and autistic with no work history but menial jobs that I couldn’t do for more than a year before massive burnout. I’m sure that some country somewhere would want me, right? I can play the guitar for a few minutes before my messed up hands hurt too much.
Kinda ready for the extermination camps, tbh.
All of them will if you have a million in the bank… If not then its a long hard road.
Exactly…I’m not rich.
So we’re fucked.
Don’t need to be exactly rich.
What are the obstacles to taking this step? Is it only a financial matter? What is you and your wife’s profession? You can pm me if you want to.
Unfortunately internet stranger. I cannot divulge my information, my wife’s a tech teacher and I’m screwed. It’s about it.
You could be a houseman. We have a lot tech jobs in Germany and not enough good personnel.
That’s not exactly true. There are countries who welcome you if you have like some useful skills.
I’m a middle school teacher and my partner builds houses. What country in Europe will take us? It’s a nice thought, but no one will accept us.
Albania. It’s nice here. There’s a construction worker shortage, and no shortage of jobs for teachers that speak English. You can even show up and hang out for up to a year with no visa.
I really doubt moving to a place like Albania, with far, far lower salaries, a massive language barrier, and a plethora of internal problems would be considered an improvement by most of the US citizens here.
Teachers and construction workers are always welcome. The teaching part could be a problem because of the language and licenses, but maybe a state were English is a more common language.
A little closer than Europe, Canada needs both. Depending on age and some other factors it shouldn’t be too hard, tho it is not easy. Just don’t choose Quebec or New Brunswick if you don’t speak french
Here is a link to our Express Entry
Gonna need that free Healthcare after I get done eating all of that ice cream.
Do-nothing Democrats strike again.
Schumer is a coward and a fraud. The weakest leader in a generation. He should resign in shame.
Rumor is that he’s doing it because he has a book tour starting tomorrow and if there’s a shut down he can’t go. Fucking cretin.
I hope to God that’s not true. I can’t imagine someone being that selfish
Elon Musk is in the news everyday and you can’t imagine someone being that selfish?
At this point, Elon Musk hardly counts as “someone”
The entire Democratic Party leadership needs to resign and be replaced by people who will actually fight for working Americans.
In November Schumer and the other leaders suffered the worst defeat in party history yet they haven’t realized the only thing left for them to do is resign in shame.
The worst defeat in party history is definitely Reagan 1984.
Not going to happen.
Change has to come from the bottom, not the top.
Couldn’t agree more - it will only happen if they receive enough public pressure and those of us who understand what’s happening here have a responsibility to do what we can to spread the word.
