• Charlxmagne@lemm.ee
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    That’s the issue with the FPTP voting system, it always eventually leads to a 2-party state like the US and the majority of the population votes for someone other than the winning party.

    This happens in literally every country with the same voting system as the US.

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    How many of those who didn’t vote were from the states where Democrats won?

    How many were from swing states?

    How many were from Red states?

    In an electoral college based election these nuances matter.

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      Australia has a pretty good preferential voting system too.

      The only major problem with elections in Australia that comes to my mind is the way political advertising works. Truth in advertising laws do not apply to political ads, for fuck-knows what reason. And there’s a lot of money sloshing around for the purpose of supporting the politicians who support certain groups. The media landscape isn’t exactly an even playing field.

      But the voting part itself is genuinely quite well done.

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    Pffffft, the rest of you lot knew what was at stake, the lazy twats who couldn’t be bothered to save their own nation by exercising their RIGHT to vote aren’t off the hook. I’ve literally started to cringe when hearing Americans in public (I live in the UK) because in my mind subconsciously there’s a high chance that person is dumb as fuck.

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      oh trust me, I did exercise my right to vote. I voted my entire ballot except the presidential race. I dont support republicans OR war criminals who promise that “nothing will fundamentally change”. If you would bother reading the polls like an informed voter you’d understand that angle never had a chance to win. But if you’d rather whine after the fact on an anonymous website that doesnt even aggregate downvote/upvote counts, then be my guest, you’re doing a real service for the world. Good job.

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        So you, being the big brain political science major that you are, read the polls and decided to abstain from voting in the presidential race because you thought it was inevitable that Trump would win?

        Sounds pretty far from intelligent to me. Whatever your motivation was, you chose not to vote against the nearly 80 year old narcissistic fascist with dementia, who is easily manipulated by anyone willing to kiss his giant shitty ass.

        Your excuses may soothe your concious. To the rest of us, you are one of the many people responsible for the ongoing madness in the US.

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          you chose not to vote against the nearly 80 year old narcissistic fascist with dementia

          Which senile wannabe are you talking about since many who didn’t vote tuned out of the election the moment Biden announced his candidacy to rob the people off of their primaries.

          Evident by the fact the most googled question on election day was “Is Biden still running?”

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          So you, being the big brain political science major that you are, read the polls and decided to abstain from voting in the presidential race because you thought it was inevitable that Trump would win?

          Sounds pretty far from intelligent to me

          yes, it sounds unintelligent to you because thats not what I said and you made it up. I agree, your fantasy is not intelligent.

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            My fantasy would be for people like you to vote so that someone like Trump doesn’t win the presidency. Unfortunately, your informed voter principles stuck us with an actual tyrant.

            I did not realize when you said:

            OR war criminals who promise that “nothing will fundamentally change”

            That you were referring to Joe Biden. Aside from you laughably calling him a war criminal, I apologize for not recognizing a such a noteworthy quote from 2019. But since we’re here, let’s have the full quote, shall we?

            "I mean, we may not want to demonize anybody who has made money. The truth of the matter is, you all, you all know, you all know in your gut what has to be done. We can disagree in the margins but the truth of the matter is it’s all within our wheelhouse and nobody has to be punished. No one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change.

            So two elections ago, Biden assured a room full of rich people during a campaign event that they could continue being rich if he were elected. Then, during the 2024 election where he dropped out, you decided not to vote for his replacement, apparently based in part on this quote. Amazing.

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              people like you to vote so that someone like Trump doesn’t win the presidency. Unfortunately, your informed voter principles stuck us with an actual tyrant.

              People who are disillusioned by the electoral process give way to tyrants. People of Iran didn’t want a dictator but when you overthrow a elected official that is what you get. What CIA did to other countries Russia did to you. Disillusioned people from their elected officials. What goes around comes around.

              Not to take away any blame from the career democrats who still aren’t doing anything.

              If you give people do or die choice people might just chose to die.

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    Those who didn’t vote, who thought their vote didn’t matter, that no matter which politician gets elected to whatever office… they’re complicit.

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      No, their lack of voting meant they were fine with either candidate. Only 1.06% said they weren’t fine with either.

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    “my vote won’t change anything”, “i don’t like any of them”, “that won’t affect me”, call leopards for those 36%

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    Both times Trump won was when a woman was running against him. The only time he lost was to a white old man.

    USA is just sexist and Americans better come to terms with it rather than making up random reasons.

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        This! Kamala is a black woman. She was never going to win. When asked if they would rather win or be right, they chose being right. They live on denial on how sexist and racist their country is.

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      While your logic does have a point, and there’s no shortage of sexists out there, I must also state that both Clinton and Harris were horrid candidates as well, and both followed a democrat president the people were starting to/were done with.

      Not only that, but both times Trump preyed on what the people were desperate to hear: “Better living conditions, lower prices” and all that. This was mainly the illusion of choice between two evils, and they chose the one that seemed to be the lesser one. The one who appeared to be “more honest” and despite being a nepo-baby called out and criticized all other rich people.

      The issue is the system itself, and the fact that voters choose their candidates like celebrities or their sports team. See Harris making her campaign way more about celebrity endorsement than commiting to actual societal issues. She was never gonna win like that, and even if she did, she would still be a bad president. Not worse for sure, now that we all are seeing current Trump starting all sorts of conflicts and trying to become a dictator, but still a bad president.

      The US can elect a female president. But so far the options picked for that were absolutely horrid, and I know there’s several good and competent female leaders who are both democrats and republicans. Sadly they have too much common sense or lean too much to the centre to be taken seriously by the ones who want to create a spectacle.

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      Maybe the women weren’t qualified? Clinton ran thinking her name would be enough. Kamala ran because she/they thought anyone except Joe could win. 36% who didn’t vote are the true cowards in all this mess. Now a majority of Americans will suffer for 4 years because of lazy-asses who thought that not showing up to vote was a protest move. WRONG!

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      Correlation is not causation. We elected Obama who was one of the youngest presidents in US history first term. Also he was Black. I’m not saying the country is sexist, but I am saying both the female candidates that made it the general election, ran on dog shit platforms of “more of the same”

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    How gross it is, considering what was in the line that so many didn’t vote. Also I bet the duck he cheated.

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    Also! They literally let someone hand out 250 million dollars, openly, and our “courts” gave it the go-ahead - even if it goes against some of the longest standing legal precedent regarding buying votes (done with booze back in the day).

    This election wasn’t a thumb on the scale, it was the oligarchs mushroom-stamping humanity.

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    “69.16% of Americans are okay with fascism” isn’t really a resounding defense of the health of American democracy in the face of fascism, though.

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      When 43/50 states are already locked in and decided a lot of people don’t bother. That’s a huge reason for people not voting.

      If elections were actually decided by popular vote you’d see more people voting. The electoral college is a voter suppression tool.

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    So 68.1% of the American public are complicit. Worse than I thought TBH. Fuck.