That’s the issue with the FPTP voting system, it always eventually leads to a 2-party state like the US and the majority of the population votes for someone other than the winning party.
This happens in literally every country with the same voting system as the US.
“69.16% of Americans are okay with fascism” isn’t really a resounding defense of the health of American democracy in the face of fascism, though.
More people didn’t vote at all than let this demented rapist burn everything down.
Fucking idiots.
Empty votes plus Trump votes still mean the majority of US was for, or at least indifferent about getting a fascist as a president.
This is democracy manifest!
Also! They literally let someone hand out 250 million dollars, openly, and our “courts” gave it the go-ahead - even if it goes against some of the longest standing legal precedent regarding buying votes (done with booze back in the day).
This election wasn’t a thumb on the scale, it was the oligarchs mushroom-stamping humanity.
Also, these oligarchs don’t realize that they’re going to be robbed just like the rest of us when the time comes. If they don’t do exactly what trump and putin want, they’ll either fall out of window or have to spend the rest of their lives hiding. These will be remembered as the good ol’ days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_since_2022
Those who didn’t vote, who thought their vote didn’t matter, that no matter which politician gets elected to whatever office… they’re complicit.
… So fucking what?
“Ooh, he hasn’t got a mandate.” Yeah, know what he has got?
CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT. And no intention of ever giving it up.
(Yes, I know, don’t abandon hope, organise, and all that. But crap like this just reads like “it’ll obviously work out fine just wait it out” shit. Which famously Does Not Fucking Work)
Idk, I can respect where you’re coming from, but this meme feels more to me like a counter to people who are saying “Trump won, this is what America voted for, if you fight against his agenda you’re fighting against the will of the people” etc. type crap
Totally agreed that just hoping things will work out fine isn’t any kind of plan, but a reminder that the average human being doesn’t like what’s happening right now can help people feel a little less crazy when they’re staying informed about current events
Pffffft, the rest of you lot knew what was at stake, the lazy twats who couldn’t be bothered to save their own nation by exercising their RIGHT to vote aren’t off the hook. I’ve literally started to cringe when hearing Americans in public (I live in the UK) because in my mind subconsciously there’s a high chance that person is dumb as fuck.
oh trust me, I did exercise my right to vote. I voted my entire ballot except the presidential race. I dont support republicans OR war criminals who promise that “nothing will fundamentally change”. If you would bother reading the polls like an informed voter you’d understand that angle never had a chance to win. But if you’d rather whine after the fact on an anonymous website that doesnt even aggregate downvote/upvote counts, then be my guest, you’re doing a real service for the world. Good job.
So you, being the big brain political science major that you are, read the polls and decided to abstain from voting in the presidential race because you thought it was inevitable that Trump would win?
Sounds pretty far from intelligent to me. Whatever your motivation was, you chose not to vote against the nearly 80 year old narcissistic fascist with dementia, who is easily manipulated by anyone willing to kiss his giant shitty ass.
Your excuses may soothe your concious. To the rest of us, you are one of the many people responsible for the ongoing madness in the US.
So you, being the big brain political science major that you are, read the polls and decided to abstain from voting in the presidential race because you thought it was inevitable that Trump would win?
Sounds pretty far from intelligent to me
yes, it sounds unintelligent to you because thats not what I said and you made it up. I agree, your fantasy is not intelligent.
My fantasy would be for people like you to vote so that someone like Trump doesn’t win the presidency. Unfortunately, your informed voter principles stuck us with an actual tyrant.
I did not realize when you said:
OR war criminals who promise that “nothing will fundamentally change”
That you were referring to Joe Biden. Aside from you laughably calling him a war criminal, I apologize for not recognizing a such a noteworthy quote from 2019. But since we’re here, let’s have the full quote, shall we?
"I mean, we may not want to demonize anybody who has made money. The truth of the matter is, you all, you all know, you all know in your gut what has to be done. We can disagree in the margins but the truth of the matter is it’s all within our wheelhouse and nobody has to be punished. No one’s standard of living will change, nothing would fundamentally change.”
So two elections ago, Biden assured a room full of rich people during a campaign event that they could continue being rich if he were elected. Then, during the 2024 election where he dropped out, you decided not to vote for his replacement, apparently based in part on this quote. Amazing.
people like you to vote so that someone like Trump doesn’t win the presidency. Unfortunately, your informed voter principles stuck us with an actual tyrant.
People who are disillusioned by the electoral process give way to tyrants. People of Iran didn’t want a dictator but when you overthrow a elected official that is what you get. What CIA did to other countries Russia did to you. Disillusioned people from their elected officials. What goes around comes around.
Not to take away any blame from the career democrats who still aren’t doing anything.
If you give people do or die choice people might just chose to die.
you chose not to vote against the nearly 80 year old narcissistic fascist with dementia
Which senile wannabe are you talking about since many who didn’t vote tuned out of the election the moment Biden announced his candidacy to rob the people off of their primaries.
Evident by the fact the most googled question on election day was “Is Biden still running?”
How many of those who didn’t vote were from the states where Democrats won?
How many were from swing states?
How many were from Red states?
In an electoral college based election these nuances matter.
Compulsory voting in Australia is looking good
Australia has a pretty good preferential voting system too.
The only major problem with elections in Australia that comes to my mind is the way political advertising works. Truth in advertising laws do not apply to political ads, for fuck-knows what reason. And there’s a lot of money sloshing around for the purpose of supporting the politicians who support certain groups. The media landscape isn’t exactly an even playing field.
But the voting part itself is genuinely quite well done.
I’ll take whoever this “Did not vote” instead please
So 68.1% of the American public are complicit. Worse than I thought TBH. Fuck.
Both times Trump won was when a woman was running against him. The only time he lost was to a white old man.
USA is just sexist and Americans better come to terms with it rather than making up random reasons.
People forget that black men, many of whom were born slaves, got the right to vote before women.
Basically if Tim Walz was the presidential candidate he probably would have won.
This! Kamala is a black woman. She was never going to win. When asked if they would rather win or be right, they chose being right. They live on denial on how sexist and racist their country is.
there wasn’t really a primary system or anything to address this
Dems aren’t going to nominate anybody without a long record of violence.
Correlation is not causation. We elected Obama who was one of the youngest presidents in US history first term. Also he was Black. I’m not saying the country is sexist, but I am saying both the female candidates that made it the general election, ran on dog shit platforms of “more of the same”
Maybe the women weren’t qualified? Clinton ran thinking her name would be enough. Kamala ran because she/they thought anyone except Joe could win. 36% who didn’t vote are the true cowards in all this mess. Now a majority of Americans will suffer for 4 years because of lazy-asses who thought that not showing up to vote was a protest move. WRONG!
You can disagree with her politics but to call Clinton unqualified is actually absurd
While your logic does have a point, and there’s no shortage of sexists out there, I must also state that both Clinton and Harris were horrid candidates as well, and both followed a democrat president the people were starting to/were done with.
Not only that, but both times Trump preyed on what the people were desperate to hear: “Better living conditions, lower prices” and all that. This was mainly the illusion of choice between two evils, and they chose the one that seemed to be the lesser one. The one who appeared to be “more honest” and despite being a nepo-baby called out and criticized all other rich people.
The issue is the system itself, and the fact that voters choose their candidates like celebrities or their sports team. See Harris making her campaign way more about celebrity endorsement than commiting to actual societal issues. She was never gonna win like that, and even if she did, she would still be a bad president. Not worse for sure, now that we all are seeing current Trump starting all sorts of conflicts and trying to become a dictator, but still a bad president.
The US can elect a female president. But so far the options picked for that were absolutely horrid, and I know there’s several good and competent female leaders who are both democrats and republicans. Sadly they have too much common sense or lean too much to the centre to be taken seriously by the ones who want to create a spectacle.
Hillary was an excellent candidate who was eminently qualified
Between her and Harris she’s 10x less bad, I’ll give you that. Other than that, agree to disagree. 🤷♂️
Tbf, we haven’t had a good candidate from either party since Obama.
How gross it is, considering what was in the line that so many didn’t vote. Also I bet the duck he cheated.
Not a mandate, but voter’s apathetic acceptance.
“my vote won’t change anything”, “i don’t like any of them”, “that won’t affect me”, call leopards for those 36%
American democracy and freedom are fucked. But I don’t blame those 36% of non-voters. These people were INSPIRED to give up on politics.
It’s the media environment. Political coverage fucking sucks by design. Left populism is too interesting to be given air time, too much of a threat to the people who fund the parties and own the media. Politics used to be interesting. Politicians used to say things, now they just run out the clock with white noise.
I mean no
In an election between Bush and Kerry (the guy who lost 2004 election) or something like that then yes. People can be annoyed or just too busy to vote.
This election was perfectly clear that the future of US democracy was at stake and more than 1/3 of the voters decided to not show up. They decided that they were fine not choosing and as such fine with either option. I mean even if the choice was between Trump and a dog, the dog should have won by a landslide. 4 years of nothing would have been miles better than the decades that US is going back.
This presidency is already catastrophic and it barely even started.
I don’t even know how the US and the world can handle 4 years of this shit at this pace.
PERFECTLY CLEAR? They walked back calling them WEIRD, let alone FASCISTS! And the moment they win Biden is shaking hands and saying lets all get along! Where’s the panic? Where’s the urgency?
People do not know what’s going on. They still don’t. You have no appreciation for how much noise is drowning out the signal. If the Dems gave a shit about democracy they should have called Don a pedophile 1000 times every day of the campaign.
