• udon@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Ah, thanks for the reminder! As a happy systemd user I sometimes forget how stubbornly resentful some people in the Linux community are that they still try to keep this up as a topic. Then again, maybe this is just a troll?

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    3 days ago

    I still don’t know what people use to create services other than systemd

    If you’re writing bash scripts you’re basically replicating a lot of the functionality of systemd but with larger foot guns

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      If you’re writing bash scripts you’re basically replicating a lot of the functionality of systemd

      You have that backwards

      If you’re writing Systemd profile profile profiles you’re replicating shell scripts but with a lot of spongey unknown “come on, pumpkin” cancer code that you’re only sure will do what you think because you don’t know what suddenly capriciously changed in enterfuckingprize code and boy is your remote server screwed. Fuck me if I need to actually rely on something starting.

      No one said sysV is awesome. It’s built to best practice and it does what it does really well, but that’s not a lot. But it does it well. Oh, the days Systemd has ruined trying to work half as well as ; well fuck, every alternative.

      The days Systemd doesn’t ruin, it’s the other cancer, network manager and ‘consistent’ naming. And devices that don’t come up. And devices that don’t actually assign a fucking static goddamned address. #youHadOneJob

      Spot the parts of enterprise Linux that runs like shit and barely does the same thing twice on two identical adjacent boxes, and I’ll show you some whiz kid who shat out some cancer and went to go work at Microsoft.

      So. Anyway, because the reliable stuff came before Systemd’s change-for-lulz setup, you had them in the wrong order unless you have a time machine.

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        Very much this, why is systemd entangling itself in every part of the linux kernel, I ripped that mfer network-manager and installed iwd

        I’m on guix-sd and don’t have to suffer systemd

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      3 days ago

      s6, dinit, openrc, BSD rc, are all alternative init systems with their own method of doing thing

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        All of them are worse in my experience. In a embedded context I use busybox init and if I need something more I used systemd. Systemd actually has a fairly small footprint. A few years ago I ran it on a system with 32mb of ram.

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          In my experience s6 was considerably faster and less verbose and didn’t have systemd’s garbage design, but it was considerably more difficult to understand and use

          dinit is apparently easy to use, but I haven’t used it

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      The system V init approach did the job fine for a couple of decades—even if the actual service definitions were a glorified shell switch statement as you insinuate.

      Canonical did their upstart thing for a couple of years that wasn’t too bad to use, personally I’m glad they ended up switching to systemd though.

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      calling furries wrong opinions in a Linux community

      That’s a bold move Cotton let’s see if it pays off

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      Well you shouldn’t. Take it off immediately, systemd or the sticker, either will do. She’s stated her position on the matter, and you should respect that!

      (/jk I’m not actually having a go at you, stickers are cool, and systemd is pervasive)