The NCAP score for these should be -5, no way that is safe!
Just buy an old Japanese Honda or Toyota and keep it running forever. No one needs a “new” cat at this point.
Edit: car not cat but leaving it for lols.
Fr, they scratch up your furniture too
Doh!
I just bought a Toyota and they locked a lot of features behind an app with a monthly fee, absolute fucking pricks. The whole auto industry is going to shit.
Seeing as cars and computers are increasingly shared platforms, where is the car-hacking community? As distinct from the car-optimizing or car-modding communities.
where is the car-hacking community?
In jail
“Hack the planet”
You wouldn’t download ecologically friendly things!?
What did they lock behind the paywall?
The main things that bother me are maps, remote start (which can be done from the keys but it’s a pain in the ass). When you start the vehicle a screen comes up that asks you to subscribe for maps, and then Android auto connects like 50% of the time and randomly disconnects when you are driving.
There’s a bunch of other little features that are mostly convenience things, but I bought the vehicle, and I understand they have to run some infrastructure but it’s not much and I could just connect through wifi or Bluetooth and they wouldn’t have to run any infra.
https://support.toyota.com/s/article/Subscription-Plans?language=en_US
Also, it’s $15 a month which is a rip off. If it was $20 a year, thats annoying, but it’s more tolerable. $15 a month to be able to use the maps that are built in is a crime.
The big ass screen is worthless unless I’m using Android auto.
I have remote start, locking doors and car info for free in the FordPass app, though I HAVE to use Android Auto for maps as the 2022 Escape SYNC does not have maps at all, which I am actually unbothered by. Android auto works very well on the display, though it has to be via cable, no w/less AA available.
I’d love to be able to even just see if the doors are locked without a monthly fee.
The USB c connection is on the passenger side of the screen in the top right corner, so doing wired Android auto is pretty annoying
I can deal with ad when watching TV or YouTube. But ads in the car, even while stopped, is just begging for someone to get killed. Will never even consider getting a jeep. I’m probably gonna have to get a new car in a couple of years and I want something new, but dumb. I want as little smart shit as possible, which is probably not going to be a thing.
Agreed. Designing in a feature that presents users with something that’s deliberately designed to be as distracting and attention grabbing as possible during a time when they should have their undivided attention on driving is asking for trouble.
On that note, LED billboards run up along the side of roads should be illegal and at very least have dimmers to prevent them from blinding drivers at night.
I can deal with ad when watching TV or YouTube.
i can’t! i really hate ads, they’re so loud and obnoxious, they’re like jump scares every time they come on! ugh! this car would be like my idea of a nightmare!
Those are full page ads with audio. It’s amazing how you can disregard that.
I use ad breaks in vids to answer texts/emails or take a piss or whatever. Intrusive ads that take up entire pages on a site are the worst tho. Those can fuck off.
do you mute them or something? i don’t think i could focus on reading anything with that shit blaring in the background!
I just tune ads out. I got ADHD, so it’s really easy for me to get distracted and completely tune things out. It’s useful in some situations, but mostly sucks lmao.
The ads aside, nothing from the Stellantis family should be on your radar anyway
But I quite like the latest Maserati.
That’s a good example, considering its Ferrari/Lamborghini maintenance costs, to compare with Volkswagen’s Mercedes/BMW maintenance/repair costs.
If I could afford one I don’t think I’d be too worried about maintenance costs, it’s not a car I would buy with my head.
I was just pointing out that not everything Stellantis sells is a bland box on wheels.
I’m not saying they are bland boxes on wheels, I’m saying the company leadership is bullshit and goes in the wrong directions and the products they make are horrible and not mechanically sound
We need laws on how intrusive ads are allowed to be. Advertising is out of control. Personally, whenever I see an ad too many times, I make sure to avoid purchasing that item or anything from that company. You’re trying too hard to sell me junk.
Ban advertising entirely.
Vandalize ads where safe to do so.
But then line stops going up, or *shutters at the thought, it could go down
Ok, honest question: In a world where all advertising is banned, how do I know who makes something I want/need?
Like, is a website you find in a search result an ad? Is putting something in your local Yellow Pages an ad?
Maybe we need to qualify “No advertising” with something?
No. If you are actively searching for something, and go to a specific place that sells that thing. It is not advertising, the active party is you not them.
The problem is when the active party is the ad-networks, the trackers, the junk pushers.
If I go to a review site, for say lawn mowers, and they say hey brand 1 is great, but brand 2 is better because of ‘reasons’; I am active, engaging in the process. If however, I then go to a site that is about tigers, and brand 3 pushes their ad to intrude on the tiger info…this (in my opinion) is a major intrusion into my private space.
Would you ban television commercials? Sponsored products unrelated to a YouTube video’s content?
I completely agree with you. So tired of pushed garbage ads. There’s just a gray area so the language of a hypothetical “law” would have to carefully considered.
Yes.
“how intrusive” ?
We need laws to ban any sort of tracking, profile generation, etc.
Bring back contextual ads. If I’m on a gaming website show me a gaming ad ffs.
Turning everything you use into a fucking ads platform is peak capitalism. Burn it with fire.
everything you
useownConsumer already paid for the damn vehicle. At least market that ad-bullshit as the cheaper freemium rental version and offer a no ads purchase version… They are not at all thinking about the consumer, only about filling their ever growing pockets.
Stellantis? More like Stale Anus
Careful with ol Ted there, all his good points were accidental, dude bombed university offices because he heard a plane fly over in the woods.
The best thing about Saint Luigi is that one doesn’t have to endorse an incel eco-fascist like Teddy K to call for “direct action.”
It ain’t right.
But i also don’t get why people are still buying Jeeps? Most cursory search while doing research for a new vehicle should bring up red flags quick.
Is this real? I’d jail break my car immediately if this happened.
I’d take it back and demand a full refund. This is a dangerous, irresponsible product that does not fulfil the purpose it was marketed for.
No. Demand a cut of the ad revenue as they are using your property as a billboard.
But I don’t want the ad revenue. I want my car not to advertise to me.
“Wanna be furious every time you stop?”
“BUY A JEEP.”
*BONUS ongoing electrical problems AND rust
