Ngl this is what every single one of you fucking liberals calling me out about my substandard research practices makes me feel .

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    2 days ago

    I had a discussion with a leftist - again, this is true - and told them about the famines in the Soviet Union and Maoist China. Said they’d have to independently verify that famines happened in socialist countries because it sounded like I was pushing a specific agenda.

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      Well you can always chat with the entire other school of thought for socialists: “Yeah, what you’re laying out about genocide is accurate. It was a FAMINE. That is what a Famine means. Now use that methodology to analyze the societal context and motivations of any other famine that doesn’t rely on testimonials from Nazis as the core of its evidence.”

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        It was famines caused be authoritarian leaders doing crazy things because they believed their ideology was more important than science and pragmatism. They were wrong and millions of people starved.

        Socialism can become authoritarian oligarchies very easily they just have to put a thin coat of paint of ideological rationalization on it. The failures central planning in a socialist system has the same effect as the failures of the central planning of a small group of oligarchs in a capitalist system.

        The rational solution is the dismantle the oligarchy, not replace the oligarchy with another oligarchy.

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      My experience with ml users is they either deny it because this one book somewhere, or they say famines are good for the economy (yes, line goes up argument).

      For context I’m European so extreme left already of any political patry in the US. As in “universal Healthcare and free education” radical.