Lemmy doesn’t like it when apologies :[
I drunk enough corote* to say what I think.
Yes, Drag is a troll. No shit Sherlock. And you’re doing shite wrong.
A troll boils down to making you mad. I know it cuz I’ve spent most time in Lebbit trolling that shithole. But “my gender is dragonfucker” only rubs you off if you’re eager to gatekeep what’s legitimate gender id or not. You’re eatin’ the bait for breakfast damn it.
If you simply accepted “OK, dragonfucker is a gender”, the troll would get pissed at that. And find some other way to troll. And then you could denounce drag for trolling.
*cheap Brazilian uni drink. 10% alcohol, costs roughly an euro, cheap artificial taste. I drunk a litre of that, I can spare sincerity now. Vino ueritas, corote quoque.
The thread about dragonfucker getting banned has been honestly very uncomfortable for me to go through. I don’t know or particularly care about this user, nor do I know what drama drag’s involved in, or how much of that is drag’s fault. But I have read a significant amount of inexcusably transphobic assertions from a large number of users, many of them accusing drag of being a troll or even a disgrace to the transgender community for the unspeakably vile sin of having a neopronoun.
Like, I’m not attempting to defend drag here. People are saying that drag was probably banned for more reasons beyond screenshotting DMs, but when reading into the thread it seems to me that the only thing that everyone hates about drag is… that drag has a non-normative gender identity? And that’s somehow making a joke of the transgender community? I mean, fill me in if you feel like it, but no amount of trolling or crimes drag has commited justifies the amount of ridiculing that this person has received on the basis of drag’s gender identity on that thread. It does seem to me, as an external observer, that a large amount of users were eagerly awaiting for drag to have a less than ideal behavior for everyone to be immensely mean to drag and to claim “See? I always knew drag was just a troll! No one can possibly have a gender identity this far from what I’m comfortable tolerating!”.
It’s making me feel bad on baseline empathy alone, and neopronouns or non-binary genders aren’t really an emotionally charged topic for me. I’m cis male, lol. But seeing the unimaginably hostile reaction many have had towards this user on the basis of drag’s quirky pronoun, which literally does not hurt anybody, has made me very uncomfortable.
I have already been feeling uncomfortable on Lemmy, in general, because of this insane obsession users from certain instances have with tankies, and the disingenuity anything politics is treated because of that (and politics being such a prevalent topic on Lemmy is certainly not helping!). I don’t like how, for example, I have seen orders of magnitude more people shitting on Hexbear trolls than actual Hexbear users trolling back when it was online. But Hexbear trolls, or tankies, or whatever, are an abstract group, that is not contingent on some intimately held aspect of yourself. This drama however is targeting a specific user, a single person, who belongs in an already excluded demography, and is probably still figuring things out about dragself. It’s a whole new level of fucked up.
My mutuals from other sites, some of whom are leftists, and some of whom are trans, are wary of moving into the Fediverse and particularly Lemmy because of stuff like this. I have argued in favor of the Fediverse in the past because I’m a bit of a FOSS nut, but this I cannot defend against.
Anyway sorry for the rambling lol. The other thread made me feel bad enough on a gut level that I had to let it out. Also, for what it’s worth, I have seen enough people with non-normative gender identities to trust that OP is not, in fact, a drag alt. Not that this being the case would change much about the recalcitrant transphobia.
politics complaint aside, your observation about people using this to complain about a neopronoun seems apt. none of the content of complaints about drag’s use of neopronouns actually seem relevant to drag’s use of neopronouns. someone trolling with neopronouns is trivially handled by just accepting the neopronouns…
someone trolling with neopronouns is trivially handled by just accepting the neopronouns
Absolutely, and I can’t stop thinking about that.
For the sake of argument, let’s take at face value the claims that drag is just some anti-trans troll that is doing the attack helicopter bit. That drag is secretly some 4channer cis dude in mom’s basement wanting to stir up some drama on Lemmy to expose hyporcrisy.
Then this troll has done an absolutely stellar job forcing everyone to show their true colors on this topic.
Drag has proven, unquestionably and beyond a shade of doubt, that Lemmy is not safe for non-binary people, not even on Blahaj. And that is despite the admin’s (in my eyes) best efforts to handle the situation.
Then, of course, there is the tiny little detail that this is a wildly bad faith assumption that requires going through a few hoops. Most of the assumption hinges on neopronouns being quirky and uncommon. And if the assumption happens to be wrong, then all this dogpiling has achieved is to wreak havoc on a vulnerable person’s mental health, and possibly even cause some trauma down the line.
I don’t care if dragonfucker needs to apologize about wronging someone else; at this point a few users absolutely need to apologize to drag as well.
and possibly even cause some trauma down the line.
Oh, it’s not down the line. Right now you can go read drag having a mental breakdown - https://lemmy.world/post/24516643
Boo hoo, poor little Drag. No sympathy for trolls.
That’s really weird. The trans community on Lemmy doesn’t think neopronouns are trolling. You can see so at that link. It’s only you and other cis people who think so. How come you think you know better than trans people about trans issues. Isn’t that arrogant?
Funny, I didn’t say anything about you being trans, or anything about trans issues. Yet you claim I think I know better than trans people about trans issues. My problem with you is the constant shit-stirring, using alts to back you up, and flooding someone’s DMs with porn and making communities to harass them. That’s asshole, trollish behaviour regardless of gender.
seriously why post this when there wasn’t even a response by Ada? And why do those two screenshots not align, whats the meaning behind the second screenshot?
What game are you trying to run here, Drag?
edit: oh that first reply in the second screenshot was in reply to me…
since the text is too small to be readable, nobody can tell; but in any case, privacy matters regardless of the classification. If drag cared they could’ve asked Ada beforehand if it would be okay.
But I guess courtesy is a one-way to drag.
Well too bad I have Drag blocked as I can’t risk to go into rant mode again.
Why post this when there wasn’t even a response by Ada?
Because Ada is on BZ, D is instance banned by BZ, no one from BZ sees any of D’s comments anywhere in the Fed.
Newbuild is, in my opinion, an alt of D’s. D realising that Ada can’t see their repeated apologies is absolutely the reason why this was made.What game are you running
I think maybe they realised they have pissed everyone off, and have lost their fav trolling grounds.
blocked Drag ~ rant mode
Yeah, I feel that, it seems like near universal reaction to D.
